I'm reposting this 'cause i don't think it got through the first time... I seem to remember someone once writing that with the proposed clipper laws, you are allowed to encrypt messages before piping them through the clip chip, but the output must be left unaltered. The problem to this is that then whoever does the audits knows who's being sneaky. (Or something like that - i don't remember precisely.) Seems to me, if one is talking about videophone type devices, they are transmitting quite a great deal of info, and stegging in a message is quite feasible, is it not? You don't even have to do much of a hardware modification. Do something like having an HF carrier tone in the background, that anyone listening to it can't detect without the knowing what they're listenong for. Or insert a microburst transmission - it'll look like static. This is not to say, that the clip chip isn't worth fighting against, just that, as always, someone's going to come with a way around it. It's human nature, really. * * Mikolaj J. Habryn dichro@tartarus.uwa.edu.au * "Life begins at '040." PGP Public key available by finger * "Spaghetti code means job security!"