Netsurfer, "Why is State property theft?" More precisely, I should have said that govt. property is extorted rather than stolen. In a democracy, the sham that taxes are sanctioned by the people is used to justify state extortion of wealth - taxation. Right now, full taxation is approx. 45% of U.S. wealth. I don't remember giving anybody the ok to take this giant amount of money for state purposes. Even if most people would assent to 45% taxation, there would be a large minority that would not. Also, we don't agree where the money should be spent. In this giant representative democracy, policy seems to be determined by a huge number of minorities instead of a majority. Each lobbying group, minority political group, & ruling elite gets legislation & policies that favor their interests. For that reason, we are governed by huge numbers of special interests rather the "common good" as willed by a majority. For that reason, we don't even meet the criteria of majority rule. Not that I see any right that a majority has to rule us. As generally a Liberterian & specifically an Anarchist, I don't agree to be ruled. PUSH EM BACK! PUSH EM BACK! WWWAAAYYY BBBAAACCCK! BBBEEEAAATTTT STATE! Gary Jeffers