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            "Before I joined CypherPunks, I couldn't even 'spell' cocksucker. Now,...(Your Comment Here)."
 
            On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Toto wrote:
"Before I joined CypherPunks, I couldn't even 'spell' cocksucker. Now,...(Your Comment Here)."
that is my sentiment, exactly. at one time there was a given level of politeness and decorum on the list; then along comes dimitri, aga, lester and all his ali, and so on. it has degenerated into a pissing match between fools. I've never object to a little "profanity" for punctuation, sort of like: "well? what's the difference between saying 'shit' and 'buffalo chip?'" Detweiler of PC Mag was a nuisance and got into it with Tim (he just disappeared except an occasional swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship), and now we have Dimitri and several more who are worse. Dimitri at least has some good information and arguments. you know, I've always given Tim a little slack on his occasionally over-biased opinions, but... maybe Tim is the problem; he just seems to bring out the 'best' in people like Dimitri and now the list has turned into a free-for-all of the outrageously obscene. then you wonder why I create sig lines like: __________________________________________________________________________ go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say: yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off. _________________________________________________________________ attila__ To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches.... _________________________________________________________________ attila__
 
            ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes:
attila wrote:
swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
Why was Dr. Cohen fired from his professorship?
John Gilmore is a very vindictive persons and will go to extreme length to punish his "enemies". --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
 
            On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes:
attila wrote:
swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
Why was Dr. Cohen fired from his professorship?
John Gilmore is a very vindictive persons and will go to extreme length to punish his "enemies".
So Dr. Cohen did not have tenure? Or is that irrelevant?? n.oksas
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
 
            attila wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Toto wrote:
"Before I joined CypherPunks, I couldn't even 'spell' cocksucker. Now,...(Your Comment Here)."
To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....
I don't think you're gonna find it here. My former girlfriend used to say "What's white and 10 inches long?" (answer: nothing)
 
            At 7:41 AM +0000 1/5/97, attila wrote: ...
swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship), and now we have Dimitri and several more who are worse. Dimitri at least has some good information and arguments.
you know, I've always given Tim a little slack on his occasionally over-biased opinions, but... maybe Tim is the problem; he just seems to bring out the 'best' in people like Dimitri and now the list has turned into a free-for-all of the outrageously obscene.
Fatuous nonsense. Blaming me for the spewings of Detweiler and Vulis is bad enough, but claiming that Dr. Fred Cohen was in a battle with me, or Aga is in a battle with me, is absolute fabrication. I don't recall many interactions, if any, with Fred Cohen, and "aga" goes straight into my trash can. Attila did not mention David Sternlight, and recall that Sternlight and I did not get into any flames, either. Nor did he mention Phill Hallam-Baker, with whom I have also had no flames. In fact, I haven't been a party to many of the flames, at least not as a poster. Not with Hallam-Baker, not with Cohen, not with Sternlight...in each case, many others were involved in extensive flames. This leaves Detweiler and Vulis. The archives contain the truth on why these guys fixated on me as the object of their frustrations with the list, should anyone seek the truth. As to why my comments bring responses, there are likelier explanations than Attila's "maybe Tim is the problem." For one thing, I write a lot of essays, and launch a lot of threads...this alone implies responses are likely. For another thing, I clearly state forceful opinions...not everyone agrees with them, and on just about any such clearly stated opinion it is likely that at least someone will disagree strongly, denounce me as a racist or speciesist or elitist or whatever. Finally, for reasons I won't speculate on here, a number of folks seem to think of me as being somwhow closely linked to the list itself (more than just posting frequency). Thus, when they lash out at the list they fixate on me in some way as representing the things they dislike about the list. (The other list founders, Eric Hughes, Hugh Daniel, and John Gilmore, are not active on the list. Recall that Detweiler focussed roughly equally on Hughes and myself as his "tormentors," and Vulis is of course even more fixated on Gilmore than he is on me...I'll leave it to the abnormal psych experts to diagnose their problems. So, Attila, still think I'm the problem? Those who think so are invited to add me forthwith to their kill files. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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                 attila attila
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                 Dale Thorn Dale Thorn
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                 dlv@bwalk.dm.com dlv@bwalk.dm.com
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                 ichudov@algebra.com ichudov@algebra.com
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                 Nurdane Oksas Nurdane Oksas
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                 Timothy C. May Timothy C. May
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                 Toto Toto
