On 21 Sep 1995, Jeff Weinstein wrote:

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My understanding is that we can not export our US-only product, except to canada - for the use of canadian citizens. I also believe that it is illegal for anyone except US citizens, permanent residents of the US (green card holders) and Canadian citizens to use it, even within the US. I'm not a lawyer, and I've not read all of ITAR myself, so I could be totally wrong...

All the same, if anyone wants an easy and economical way to get around ITAR, have someone do your cypto software development just north of the border (Vancouver's just north of Seattle and close enough to Silicon Valley, with excellent net-access) or at least just publish it here first.

here's a possible bullshit wrinkle. i'm not a lawyer, but one of my bosses was, once. said boss owned a boat that was of canadian registry. he was a canadian citizen with a green card. he *claimed* that, even when docked in the SF bay area, his boat was technically considered canadian territory, due to some maritime law malarky. US authorities theoretically had to go through various hoops to legally board his vessel. i wouldn't try to halt a SWAT team, or even the local fuzz, with this tidbit of legal gaga. but doing crypto development on such a vessel might hold up in court for something as squishy as ITAR. naturally, commuting to canada is probably a *lot* cheaper than owning a boat. the uninitiated have little idea what these holes- in-the-water really cost.... :-) -landon (returning to lurk-mode)