Re: Photo ID is not needed for key signings...
Joshua E. Hill (jehill@w6bhz.calpoly.edu) wrote:
Because _these_ people _are_ binding true names to keys. That's what _this_ is about.
No, they're binding supposedly government-issued ids to keys. There's a difference. There are three problems with signing keys based on government-issued ids. 1. There's no link between a driver's license and an email address, so anyone with a license for 'Mark Grant' could claim to be the owner of the 'mark@unicorn.com' key. 2. Governments will issue fake ids to their agents, so there's no proof that that 'Mark Grant' is 'really' 'Mark Grant' and not 'Joe Sasquatch, NSA, FBI, BATF'. 3. Thieves have got fed up with faking individual licenses and can now do so wholesale; see the following from a recent RISKS Digest (18:94) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:39:50 -0500 (EST)
From: GaryG4430@aol.com Subject: Thieves steal license machines
Excuse me Sir, but would you watch my Golden Goose while I go get a cup of coffee? Published in the *Portland Oregonian*, 25 Mar 1997, p.2, Around the Nation: Thieves steal license machines MIAMI - Last year, Florida bought computers to make driver's licenses that are virtually impossible to counterfeit. But brazen South Florida thieves have been stealing the computers, sometimes later returning to the scene to pick up accessories. In seven burglaries at five virtually unprotected driver's license offices from Key Largo to Okeechobee, crooks have gathered the $15,000 computers, software and supplies for five complete systems -everything they would need to crank out the state's new high-tech, counterfeit-resistant licenses. Yup, only our high-tech systems can make our high-security, tamperproof, extremely valuable documents. And you can't just buy one of these system just anywhere... Gary Grossoehme, Oregon Electronics [Also commented on by Bob_Frankston@frankston.com, who notes that if the new licenses are considered "foolproof", it only increases their value! PGN] ------------------------------
At 7:20 AM -0700 6/12/97, Mark Grant wrote:
No, they're binding supposedly government-issued ids to keys. There's a difference.
There are three problems with signing keys based on government-issued ids.
2. Governments will issue fake ids to their agents, so there's no proof that that 'Mark Grant' is 'really' 'Mark Grant' and not 'Joe Sasquatch, NSA, FBI, BATF'.
I understand that "Joe Sasquatch" is actually the newly-issued name for the BATFag formerly known as "Lon Horiuchi." He can run, but he can't hide (forever). (Talk about your assassination politics! The militias have a price on that guy's head.) The USG is of course one of the main liars about identity, using government-issued credentials to lie about past and current identities. Check into the so-called "Witness Security Program," aka WitSec. (Popularly known as "Witness Protection.") A recent vintage list of mappings between apparent True Names and government-issued fake names, including faked credit reports (the three major CRAs are of course complicit in this fakery), was floating around in the underground community a few years ago...acquired from a government surplus disk drive arrray bought in Martinsburg, W. Va. Many interesting uses of such a list of stool pigeons and traitors. Fascinating times, eh? --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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