Re: Exporting cryptographic materials, theory vs. practice
My conclusion from all this is that it just isn't possible for an individual traveler to follow the rules.
I can think of a at least half a dozen cypherpunks who will be going to IETF in Stockholm in July. I suspect there are more. Perhaps we should all arrange to take the same flight, while carrying some bit of approved-for-export material. Should drive the Customs guys completely nuts. Marc
I couldn't agree with the general drift much more. The real objective is to get the customs officials used to the procedure of dealing the cryptograhic materials. Your best asset is a good feature reporter and a photograher. Right now, I don't think U.S. Customs is going to ask you if you have PGP in your PC if you leave the country, or return either. They should, and I'd be proud to say yes. Registered<BETSI>BEllcore Trusted Software Integrity system programmer *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock "Give me your Tired, your Poor, your old PC's..." The TS NET REGISTERED PGP KEY NO.0C91594D carolann@icicle.winternet.com finger carolann@winternet.com |more *********************************************************************** My WWW Homepage Page is at: http://www.winternet.com/~carolann On Mon, 2 Jan 1995, Marc Horowitz wrote:
My conclusion from all this is that it just isn't possible for an individual traveler to follow the rules.
I can think of a at least half a dozen cypherpunks who will be going to IETF in Stockholm in July. I suspect there are more. Perhaps we should all arrange to take the same flight, while carrying some bit of approved-for-export material. Should drive the Customs guys completely nuts.
Marc
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950102013630.23484A-100000@icicle.winternet.com>, you wrote:
Right now, I don't think U.S. Customs is going to ask you if you have PGP in your PC if you leave the country, or return either.
They should, and I'd be proud to say yes.
And you can beam with pride as they impound your PC and take it away. Gosh. Sometimes it's just swell to be a cypherpunk. Kinda chokes me up. . . . Right now the situation is a sort of security-through-obscurity situation where they're not going to bother you for having PGP on your laptop's hard disk. Security through obscurity sucks, but the present situation is still better than the one where they know what to look for and what questions to ask, and you're headed for the slammer if you haven't gotten your temporary export license signed and stamped and ready to go. Do you want it to be easier to comply with bad law? | PROOF-READER, n: A malefactor who atones for Alan Bostick | making your writing nonsense by permitting abostick@netcom.com | the compositor to make it unintelligible. finger for PGP public key | Ambrose Bierce, THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY Key fingerprint: | 50 22 FB 46 41 A3 17 9D F7 33 FF E1 4E 1C 89 79 +legal_kludge=off -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQB1AgUBLwh5U+VevBgtmhnpAQGWywMAhEpmFRrQXJPRpF4mPqAHmaxcGpZm00z2 acEogITT4O+aT+qGOoAiUnlaRWXOLmkOle75dhoAiJOabzRJ09rwXfyZzVLna8Gd DI9fVCrIjodY3Xl6BLZfRjblmDIQT6LA =RzSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Mon, 2 Jan 1995, Alan Bostick wrote:
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Right now, I don't think U.S. Customs is going to ask you if you have PGP in your PC if you leave the country, or return either.
They should, and I'd be proud to say yes.
And you can beam with pride as they impound your PC and take it away. Gosh. Sometimes it's just swell to be a cypherpunk. Kinda chokes me up. . . .
No reason to risk a hassle by exporting PGP from the US on your laptop, it's everywhere. Just take your Secret Keyring file and download PGP from a foreign FTP site once you are out of the US. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Mon, 2 Jan 1995, Carol Anne Braddock wrote:
Right now, I don't think U.S. Customs is going to ask you if you have PGP in your PC if you leave the country, or return either.
They should, and I'd be proud to say yes.
Well Carol, I am sure your heart is in the right place, but I do not agree. They should not, and I'd be deranged to say yes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we James A. Donald are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. jamesd@netcom.com
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My conclusion from all this is that it just isn't possible for an individual traveler to follow the rules.
I can think of a at least half a dozen cypherpunks who will be going to IETF in Stockholm in July. I suspect there are more. Perhaps we should all arrange to take the same flight, while carrying some bit of approved-for-export material. Should drive the Customs guys completely nuts.
Actually, those of us who are going should arrange to take *separate* flights... My reading of Matt's message said that most of the time was spent trying to figure out what to do, and only a little time was spent actually doing it. If a bunch of people all take the same flight, it will take them only a slight bit longer to process the whole bunch of you than if one person on the flight was doing it... - Bill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLwgMDLT+rHlVUGpxAQFJ4wP/VGVDeueP0Z2hFHy/LUZ65ed69RpwYv0X //Ser1wiS7/y0WKFU6+xWH+0IffDOWgXVv4V3h1Rs8jTtEfKb46TtFTcnIM2qKr5 OYMy8ERPiMn3nx3I3slkVWYhSQQo/SwOOt/wSBZ72KjoSvWuf1wZCo++bOu773zp mPN6RxAuR4c= =R/1O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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