Re: revised time quantization package (Unix & WIN32) available
AT&T Spokesman Matt Blaze writes: blah blah
There are (basically) no restrictions on the use or distribution of the (very simple) code.
This is simply untrue. Read the fine print in the file. Use this code and you owe them big. They'll "reach out and touch" you big time. If they were serious, they'd gpl it.
Get it from: ftp://research.att.com/dist/mab/quantize.shar
The quantize package is also part of Jack Lacy's cryptolib package (watch this space for details).
I don't understand why this group continues to tolerate these blatently commercial messages from att (and netscape.) (The message is really just an ad for the cryptolib product, as it says). I've also said this b4 but I'll say it again: why would anyone in their right mind trust binary code from att after the clipper fiasco. And why do we tolerate Jeff Weinstein and Mat Blaze calling themselves cypherpunks, when they are so clearly just working us for their corporate interests? I wonder how much they get paid to monitor this list?
ECafe Anonymous Remailer writes: [Lots of garbage slandering Matt Blaze, who's about as close to being a dyed-in-the-DNA cypherpunk as you can get.] What I want to know is, why are you doing this? Are you trying to start a flame war? Are you just an asshole? Are you Detweiler? Whats the motive? .pm
Perry wonders:
What I want to know is, why are you doing this? Are you trying to start a flame war? Are you just an asshole? Are you Detweiler? Whats the motive?
I must admit I don't quite get it, although I think there are people who really can't distinguish between a person and a person's employer, and who believe that the entire world is a black-and-white battle between good and evil. Jeff Weinstein got treated rudely back during the feeding frenzy where everyone hated Netscape because he works for Netscape. Brian Davis got treated rudely when he first joined the list because he works for the government as a federal (?) prosecutor. I get treated rudely from time to time because I work for AT&T. It doesn't bother me, especially when it comes from an anonymous source who for all we know might earn his or her keep by advertising the joys of smoking cigarettes to small children or by testing the toxic effects of new cosmetics on cute, furry animals. I figure it all just comes with the turf. At least I don't get blood thrown on my by protestors the way people who work in animal testing labs do... -matt
Matt, It seems that .pm has to be paranoid since he doesn't recognize intergrity. May he is the famous net loon LD? However, keep up the good work. Dan On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Matt Blaze wrote:
Perry wonders:
What I want to know is, why are you doing this? Are you trying to start a flame war? Are you just an asshole? Are you Detweiler? Whats the motive?
I must admit I don't quite get it, although I think there are people who really can't distinguish between a person and a person's employer, and who believe that the entire world is a black-and-white battle between good and evil.
Jeff Weinstein got treated rudely back during the feeding frenzy where everyone hated Netscape because he works for Netscape.
Brian Davis got treated rudely when he first joined the list because he works for the government as a federal (?) prosecutor.
I get treated rudely from time to time because I work for AT&T.
It doesn't bother me, especially when it comes from an anonymous source who for all we know might earn his or her keep by advertising the joys of smoking cigarettes to small children or by testing the toxic effects of new cosmetics on cute, furry animals. I figure it all just comes with the turf. At least I don't get blood thrown on my by protestors the way people who work in animal testing labs do...
-matt
Perry E. Metzger enscribed thusly:
ECafe Anonymous Remailer writes: [Lots of garbage slandering Matt Blaze, who's about as close to being a dyed-in-the-DNA cypherpunk as you can get.]
Yeah! Really! We're talking about Matt "Honey I broke the chip" Blaze here. Single handedly did more damage to the clipper chip than any other individual or group!
What I want to know is, why are you doing this? Are you trying to start a flame war? Are you just an asshole? Are you Detweiler? Whats the motive?
Perry, I liked your reaction to the last chump like this much better. We should find out what drugs they are taking and where we can buy some! They are obviously VERY good considering that they no longer have any connection with reality. I'm just impressed that they can manage to find their keyboard with the halucinations they're having!
.pm
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On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
ECafe Anonymous Remailer writes: [Lots of garbage slandering Matt Blaze, who's about as close to being a dyed-in-the-DNA cypherpunk as you can get.]
What I want to know is, why are you doing this? Are you trying to start a flame war? Are you just an asshole? Are you Detweiler? Whats the motive?
What _I_ want to know is, is this a troll from the same person who posted the RSA patch for the cryptolib, and is now slandering it. (Re: the patch... it seemed to work on my copy, it passed the test... but NOTHING uses the damn library that I can just test it with) More 'anonymous' persons should choose to be pseudonymous... Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lasser <jlasser@rwd.goucher.edu> (410)494-3072 Visit my home page at http://www.goucher.edu/~jlasser/ You have a friend at the NSA: Big Brother is watching. Finger for PGP key.
I don't normally like to respond to anonymous kooks, but... cpunk@remail.ecafe.org (ECafe Anonymous Remailer) writes:
AT&T Spokesman Matt Blaze writes: blah blah
There are (basically) no restrictions on the use or distribution of the (very simple) code.
This is simply untrue. Read the fine print in the file. Use this code and you owe them big. They'll "reach out and touch" you big time. If they were serious, they'd gpl it.
Since I don't understand what you're talking about, I can't really respond to it. The only restrictions on the use of this code are that you have to acknowledge where it came from and that it comes with no waranty. You also have to keep the notice in place on any copies you give to anyone else. Just like the GPL, only without the nutty requirement that you also give away your own source code.
Get it from: ftp://research.att.com/dist/mab/quantize.shar
The quantize package is also part of Jack Lacy's cryptolib package (watch this space for details).
I don't understand why this group continues to tolerate these blatently commercial messages from att (and netscape.) (The message is really just an ad for the cryptolib product, as it says). I've also said this b4 but I'll say it again: why would anyone in their right mind trust binary code from att after the clipper fiasco.
I think you're confused. AT&T Bell Labs Research (which is soon to be split into two parts, Bell Labs and AT&T Labs, owned by two different companies starting next year) is a research laboratory. A lot of very good cryptology and security people work here. While AT&T (the parent company) is in the products and services business, AT&T Bell Labs doesn't sell any products or services itself. Like most of the computer science researchers in Bell labs (and like those in universities and elsewhere), I publish the results of most the work that I do (modulo some consulting I do for the moneymaking part of the company in order to "pay the rent"). I (like many other researchers) also sometimes create software in the course of my work. When this might be of use to others, I prefer to give it away rather than let it sit idle on my disk. The quantization code (like CFS, swIPe and others) is an example. CryptoLib is another example; it was created by my colleague Jack Lacy. We give that away, too. Bell Labs doesn't advertise anything. We don't have retail customers. Our research software is unconnected with AT&T's commercial activities. We make it available because that's what members of the research community do. Its distribution is neither purely altruistic nor especially mercenary. If you really like our research software, I guess you can switch your long distance service to AT&T or buy an AT&T answering machine or something. But that part of the company is very remote from my food chain. I'm from the part of the company that _spends_ money. Other parts _make_ the money.
And why do we tolerate Jeff Weinstein and Mat Blaze calling themselves cypherpunks, when they are so clearly just working us for their corporate interests?
Again, I think you're confused. Jeff Weinstein works for Netscape, not AT&T. I think there's a connection between AT&T and Netscape somewhere (like we bundle netscape with worldnet service), but I don't really know the details.
I wonder how much they get paid to monitor this list?
I can't speak for Jeff Weinstein, but in my case, not nearly enough. -matt "I'm from The Phone Company and I'm here to help you."
On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, ECafe Anonymous Remailer wrote:
I don't understand why this group continues to tolerate these blatently commercial messages from att (and netscape.) (The message is really just an ad for the cryptolib product, as it says). I've also said this b4 but I'll say it again: why would anyone in their right mind trust binary code from att after the clipper fiasco.
I don't understand why this group continues to tolerate these compleatly stupid messages from Mr. Anonymous (and other nuts.) (The message is really just a llame by Detweller (sp?), as it indicates). I've also said this b4 but I'll say it again: why would anyone in their right mind pay any attention to an anonymous idiot without enough face to get a nym.
And why do we tolerate Jeff Weinstein and Mat Blaze calling themselves cypherpunks, when they are so clearly just working us for their corporate interests? I wonder how much they get paid to monitor this list?
You might want to have a doctor help you take your head out of your ass. Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net http://underground.org/ KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01
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