Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:38:55 -0500 From: Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com> Subject: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls
Subject: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:23:54 -0800 From: John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>
The US Wassenaar initiative is an attempt to deny the public not only all future strong crypto developments, but all existing ones. As today's message from Denmark makes clear, the freedom-hating bureaucrats are threatening to prosecute a citizen merely for publishing PGP on his web page.
And this is different from yesterday how?
Let's at least ensure that they don't eliminate *today's* strong crypto, by replicating crypto archives behind each Berlin Wall they threaten to erect.
Are you offering to put up your monies to provide any and all legal and other support for any such site that participates? When is your site going up? ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
John Young wrote:
In response to John Gilmore's call for a foil to US-Wassenaar restrictions acoming, we've put up a preliminary list of international cryptography sources for mirroring:
http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm
This is a quick starter-kit and is far from comprehensive. Contributions welcome.
For longer term it might be desirable to have a site in a crypto- politics neutral country (one that is unlikely to have crypto laws in foreseeable future) to which software could be uploaded. Downloading is then import and not subject to restriction. M. K. Shen
Jim Choate writes:
The US Wassenaar initiative is an attempt to deny the public not only all future strong crypto developments, but all existing ones. As today's message from Denmark makes clear, the freedom-hating bureaucrats are threatening to prosecute a citizen merely for publishing PGP on his web page.
And this is different from yesterday how?
What's different is that this is Denmark now. Before it was just the US.
Let's at least ensure that they don't eliminate *today's* strong crypto, by replicating crypto archives behind each Berlin Wall they threaten to erect.
Are you offering to put up your monies to provide any and all legal and other support for any such site that participates? When is your site going up?
John said that people should put up per country mirrors first globally accessible, but if required by local laws / harrassment to stop doing that make them accessible only in the country. As a fall back position as I understand it, so that all the useful crypto apps are still available. Adam
According to Jim Choate:
And this is different from yesterday how?
It is different in that it has been legal to distribute PGP and any other public domain and mass market crypto software from Denmark up to now.
Are you offering to put up your monies to provide any and all legal and other support for any such site that participates? When is your site going up?
John Gilmore's RSAREF site went up about a year ago. Your point being what?
In response to John Gilmore's call for a foil to US-Wassenaar restrictions acoming, we've put up a preliminary list of international cryptography sources for mirroring: http://jya.com/crypto-free.htm This is a quick starter-kit and is far from comprehensive. Contributions welcome. Ken Williams offers an impressive (177MB) crypto/stego archive: http://www.genocide2600.com/~tattooman/cryptography/
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