Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers (fwd)
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From owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Mon Jan 1 17:53:37 1996 Message-Id: <199601012332.PAA10533@desiree.teleport.com> Subject: Re: Guerilla Internet Service Providers To: cypherpunks@toad.com In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 01 Jan 1996 13:41:13 PST. <v02120d09ad0e047046b5@[192.0.2.1]> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 15:32:37 -0800 From: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Precedence: bulk
Lucky Green:
Some site in physical space has to host the nntpd, the ftpd, and the httpd. That site will be subject to search, seizure, and arrest and conviction of owner.
but if it turns out that 30% of home PCs have to be seized to prevent dissemination of dangerous-information-X?
though we're not quite there yet... eg, it's a little expensive to run your own httpd 24 hours/day. --
If you live in the Austin, TX area I will setup a dedicated slip for you at only $100/mo.
Lucky Green:
Wrong. Only 0.03% of the home PCs have to be seized and the owners incarcerated. The remaining users will cease to carry controlled data on their own.
depends. prohibition was a failure. information is much easier to duplicate and conceal, spy thrillers aside. many people find it hard to justify information being dangerous, especially if it's something innocuous like just another cryptosystem, or just another penis. compare with software piracy. when was the last time a kid in your neighborhood was busted for unlicensed copying of software? and software is big business, lots of suits and $$$. they can try to make disassemblers illegal, but it's not likely to succeed. Jim Choate:
If you live in the Austin, TX area I will setup a dedicated slip for you at only $100/mo.
in the Portland Oregon area, the price ranges from $234/year to $1750/year for unlimited ppp access. (I have no idea how long the $234/year is going to stay in business. that won't even cover the cost of a phone line.) --
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 20:27:23 -0800 From: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Precedence: bulk compare with software piracy. when was the last time a kid in your neighborhood was busted for unlicensed copying of software? and software is big business, lots of suits and $$$. Look for this to change if the copyright "high-protectionists" succeed in getting Congress to criminalize every act of copyright infringement, which is what the Leahy-Feingold "Criminal Copyright Improvement Act of 1995" (S.1122) will do if it becomes law. Under current copyright law infringements that are not committed wilfully and "for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain" are not criminal. Such non-profit/noncommercial infringements are still civil infringements, and copyright holders may sue for actual and/or statutory damages, but since the typical kid has net assets less than $39.95 it's not worth the effort. If S.1122 becomes law, though, the software companies (or other copyright holders) will be able to get the Feds to prosecute such cases criminally (so we, as taxpayers, get to foot the bill for those prosecutions that are not monetarily attractive to the copyright holders). --bal
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