State of the Union Address
Hear that the State of the Union next Monday has a section on Internet - networks - critical infrastructure protection et al. Anyone have any details?
My bet is that it'll be the same as it always is. Klintonkov will rant about how he wants to censor the Internet. Then he'll go on and on about how he wants to connect every public school to the Internet and tax me to give these kids censored feeds, all when the students are coming out of the school system as complete morons. Some can't read, many can't do math, most have absolutely no clue about basic science, and most have absolutely no idea about the Bill of Rights and freedom of speech[1]. And of course he'll have to throw in a long diatribe about how Americans need to surrender more of their freedom to the government. Maybe he'll even mention how he doesn't remember screwing a reasonably attractive woman half his age in the White House while she was a White House intern. [1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: 1) What is the acceleration of gravity at sealevel on Earth? 2) What are airlocks? What are they used for? How do they work? 3) How many chromosomes are in a normal, healthy human? 4) Joe is one of your classmates. He elects not to say the "Pledge of Allegience." Which of the following is true? a) He must say it because it is mandated by the government. b) He may not say it, but he must stand. c) He is not required to acknowledge it, except to allow others to say it if they wish to. d) He should be taken out behind the school and beaten with a sledgehammer. Afterwards his brains should be used to spell the words "Death to traitors!" e) He should be sent to the principal's office for disciplinary action. f) He should be expelled from the country. g) He must do so as long as he is a U.S. citizen. 5) Explain the equation 'f=m*a' and Newton's Third Law. 'f=m*a' is referenced in the context of Newtonian motion. 6) The First Amendment of the United States Constitution orders which of the following? a) Congress shall not restrict freedom of speech, the press, assembly, or religion. b) Congress shall not restrict freedom of speech, the press, assembly, or religion, except as ordered by the majority. c) Congress and private individuals may not descriminate on the basis of sex. d) Congress and private individuals may not restrict freedom of speech, the press, assembly, or religion. 7) What are the following government agencies and what are their function? a) FCC b) NSA c) CIA d) FBI e) DEA f) BATF g) NTSB h) DOJ 8) Your city passes a "teen curfew" law ordering criminal penalties for anybody younger than 18 who is out after 10PM on school nights. The law was passed by popular vote at this year's elections. Which of the following is true? a) This is a just and fair law, and is completely constitutional. Teenagers have no reason to be out past 10PM on school nights. They should be at home and asleep. b) This law violates the thirteenth amendment. c) This law violates the first amendment. It violates freedom of assembly. d) This is a constitutional law. Freedom of assembly does not apply because the people voted on this law and it passed by majority vote. 9) How many senators does each state have? 10) "What a piece of work is man; how noble in reason; how infinite in faculty, in form, in moving; how express and admirable in action..." Name the author. 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities? 12) (sin(9)^2 + cos(9)^2)=x. If this quantity can be determined, what is x equal to? 13) What is the square root of 256? 14) What is the fourth root of 81? 15) Given complete control of the environment, how could one cause pure water to boil at 96 degrees C? 16) Explain possible problems with cloning of humans. Analysis: Keep in mind that I'm talking about high school graduates or people who have almost graduated high school here, and these are people who have taken the appropriate courses. Back in high school I made the mistake of making some comments and assuming in class discussions that people had basic knowledge. I was wrong. Okay, so I was naive. Eventually I gave up and stopped participating simply because I was sick and tired of doing the school's job for them. 1) Most students probably won't have any idea. The value, of course, is about 9.81 m/s^2. 10 m/s^2 doesn't work although that's given in the mathematics books they give these kids. Most of them probably won't even know what the question is asking. 2) I actually brought this topic up to a group of *honors* students. Think of the expression "shove you out an airlock" for context. They boggled, wallowed in their ignorance and were proud, and then went off to their think tank. After confering with each other they came back with the breathtakingly brilliant answer that it was a contraceptive device. Of course even after explaining to them what it was they still didn't get the reference, had no grasp of how such a thing might work, and had no idea what it might be useful for. 3) This is taught in elementary biology which, at least down here, is a required course. They had no idea. Actually, most of them had no clue about basic genetics at all. Yes, basic genetics was covered in the course, and this material was included. 4) I was "Joe" in this case. The people involved had already taken a semester government course. Their answer to the question would have been along the lines of option 'd'. 5) I made a big mistake assuming they knew this one. Oops. 6) Most seemed to believe 'b' or 'd'. Maybe they knew it was 'a' and thought that maybe people wouldn't notice. 7) I made the mistake of using designations like this in a political science class during a class discussion. I regretted it when I had to start explaining these agencies and what they were supposed to be responsible for. 8) No explanation required. 9) "You expect me to memorize that for all 50 states?" "Nevermind." 10) Shakespeare. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't had to read Hamlet, MacBeth, and others in their English classes. Yipes. 11) "How am I supposed to know?" "Uh, you got out of chemistry with a B." "Yes, but they never gave me problems like that!" Uhhh... 12) Most probably couldn't solve it without a calculator. 13) Ditto. 14) Ditto. 15) They'll probably look at you like you're nuts and explain that you can't. Uh, right. 16) In an international relations class I took students picked a side and tried to argue it. Mine was pro-cloning or, more accurately, pro-science. Most were anti-cloning. Why? a) "God doesn't like us to do things like that." Right. Let's go outlaw fields of research based on one religion and what followers of one religion think their god is thinking at that moment. This is America, not Iraq. b) "How would you like it if somebody just came up and cloned you without you knowing and then made that person tell them information you refused to give them yourself?" Okay, I can buy the unwillful cloning part of it and could support a law on the grounds that it's theft of genetic material or for a variety of other reasons. As for the rest of that...ugh. Now maybe people on this list can't answer some of these either. That isn't the point. The point is that you should have been taught this stuff in school. Klintonkov wants to go blow millions (billions?) of dollars for censored network feeds in the schools and they haven't even got basic education down? And don't say "computer literacy" either. Most high school graduates can barely type on the bloody things, and they can forget about actually fixing a problem themselves. The *teachers* are blatently clueless. When Klintonkov fixes these problems he can talk about "wiring our schools for the 21st century." Of course then he'll want to censor the feeds or the net at large, at which point we're back to square one and should spend the money on something useful, like paying off the multi-trillion dollar debt the idiots ran up. Here's the scariest part of it all: These people are voting! And we wonder why we're in such a mess. The war isn't the war between the blacks and the whites, the liberals and the conservatives, or the Federation and the Romulans. It's between the clueful and the clueless.
Anonymous <nobody@REPLAY.COM> writes:
7) What are the following government agencies and what are their function?
h) DOJ
They harass Microsoft
They're the ones who look the other way when high government officials are involved with corruption (like illegal campaign fundraising, etc.).
7) What are the following government agencies and what are their function? a) FCC
They censor TV and tax your telephone
b) NSA
They read your private e-mail and censor crypto publications
c) CIA
They run drugs in South America
d) FBI
They wiretap your telephone
e) DEA
They shoot at the drug runners
f) BATF
They burn down churches
g) NTSB
They blow up airplanes and blame it on 'terrorists'
h) DOJ
They harass Microsoft
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
Rabid Wombat <wombat@mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes:
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under norma circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
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Rabid Wombat <wombat@mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes:
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11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under norma circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
Where is Jim Bell when we need him?
The question depeands on what is normal circumstances? Noramly HCl is suppled dissolved in warter, where it will react quite safly with NaOH to create salt warter. However gassius HCl is a diffrent beast entirly, but this is rare in a high school enviroment. - -- Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia see the url in my header. Never trust a country with more peaple then sheep. ex-net.scum and proud You Say To People "Throw Off Your Chains" And They Make New Chains For Themselves? --Terry Pratchett. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNM3ZKaQK0ynCmdStAQHTpwP/f8A4gxFNgA8LjKp7dc74DwQ1P+wota1v 0t476LJRpJh+iJporLYtyHVRwpwHv9vaxID8Y0hjMYQkgDp++oWDIgqA4m2/JV1V WhXizo5Q97A0CnoMPCbLgOYb0VxXbbhFmdJ9MtwofOSaH8hBmtn0o9EOMTBCNgRo eaCQkNxqMtk= =5b8J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts (in this case table salt) and water. while some do feel (especially on this list) that the ends justify the means -- this is one means that definitely does not go along with that "rule". PHM.
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Paul H. Merrill wrote:
Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts (in this case table salt) and water.
while some do feel (especially on this list) that the ends justify the means -- this is one means that definitely does not go along with that "rule".
PHM.
Actually the qustion is probably hosed, as the ratio should be 1:1 Hcl:NaOH mol, not weight (which would be about 10:9 Hcl:NaOH or so if I'm not confused here) ... the idea being that if you calculate and measure just right, you can mix too highly dangerous chemicals and will get saltwater which you can drink. If you don't measure just right, and drink it, you are rightly fucked, so don't try this at home. Can't find exact delta-h listed for NaOH, but rough guess on this reaction is maybe 150,000 - 175,000 joules, or about half a box of kitchen matches worth of heat (~150-175 btu ?), which wouldn't boil a quart of water. I suppose if you had a small enough solution you could get a small "bang" out of vaporizing the water. Not exactly a terrorist threat. A moderate amount of heat, but without increasing the number of molecules, where's the explosion? Am I missing something? Looks like warm saltwater to me. OTOH, I don't know anything about chemistry 'cuz I always got kicked outa class for doing dumber things than mixing Hcl and NaOH and drinking it, which is the usual stunt. Don't try this at home, and don't take chemistry advice from marsupials. btw - didn't really "do the math" on this, and it's 2am, so it could be wildly innacurate. -r.w.
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Paul H. Merrill wrote:
Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts (in this case table salt) and water.
while some do feel (especially on this list) that the ends justify the means -- this is one means that definitely does not go along with that "rule".
PHM.
Actually the qustion is probably hosed, as the ratio should be 1:1 Hcl:NaOH mol, not weight (which would be about 10:9 Hcl:NaOH or so if I'm not confused here) ... the idea being that if you calculate and measure just right, you can mix too highly dangerous chemicals and will get saltwater which you can drink. If you don't measure just right, and drink it, you are rightly fucked, so don't try this at home.
Can't find exact delta-h listed for NaOH, but rough guess on this reaction is maybe 150,000 - 175,000 joules, or about half a box of kitchen matches worth of heat (~150-175 btu ?), which wouldn't boil a quart of water. I suppose if you had a small enough solution you could get a small "bang" out of vaporizing the water. Not exactly a terrorist threat.
A moderate amount of heat, but without increasing the number of molecules, where's the explosion? Am I missing something? Looks like warm saltwater to me. OTOH, I don't know anything about chemistry 'cuz I always got kicked outa class for doing dumber things than mixing Hcl and NaOH and drinking it, which is the usual stunt. Don't try this at home, and don't take chemistry advice from marsupials.
btw - didn't really "do the math" on this, and it's 2am, so it could be wildly innacurate.
-r.w.
Ooops, 178,000 joules w/ 1 mol each (about 36 grams Hcl & 40 grams NaOH), so the "one gram each" example (wrong unit of measure, btw), assuming about 1/40 the quantity, would be about 4450 joules, or about five kitchen matches. bfd. OTOH, IANAC(hemist). Looks like the answer to the original question would be "somewhat salty ammonium hydroxide", with the given quantities. Don't drink (drano) and drive. -r.w.
Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Paul H. Merrill wrote:
Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
I guess those high school students aren't the only ones with no clear idea of the way the world works. While salt water does not ordinarily explode, in this case salt water is the ultimate product -- but massive heat released when acids and bases join and recombine to produce salts (in this case table salt) and water.
while some do feel (especially on this list) that the ends justify the means -- this is one means that definitely does not go along with that "rule".
PHM.
Actually the qustion is probably hosed, as the ratio should be 1:1 Hcl:NaOH mol, not weight (which would be about 10:9 Hcl:NaOH or so if I'm not confused here) ... the idea being that if you calculate and measure just right, you can mix too highly dangerous chemicals and will get saltwater which you can drink. If you don't measure just right, and drink it, you are rightly fucked, so don't try this at home.
Can't find exact delta-h listed for NaOH, but rough guess on this reaction is maybe 150,000 - 175,000 joules, or about half a box of kitchen matches worth of heat (~150-175 btu ?), which wouldn't boil a quart of water. I suppose if you had a small enough solution you could get a small "bang" out of vaporizing the water. Not exactly a terrorist threat.
A moderate amount of heat, but without increasing the number of molecules, where's the explosion? Am I missing something? Looks like warm saltwater to me. OTOH, I don't know anything about chemistry 'cuz I always got kicked outa class for doing dumber things than mixing Hcl and NaOH and drinking it, which is the usual stunt. Don't try this at home, and don't take chemistry advice from marsupials.
btw - didn't really "do the math" on this, and it's 2am, so it could be wildly innacurate.
-r.w.
yes, the quantities are small, thus total heat is small, but so is the mass to be heated (who cares idf it will boils a quart when we are talking about a couple of grams). Explosion is perhaps a poor choice of words, but I would not like to be in the spatter zone of it either. PHM
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Rabid Wombat wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
From my high-school chemistry, neutralization makes slatwater and a lot of heat.... (Or that's what the teacher claimed)... Without a way to dump the pressure generated this way, yes you could have an explosion...
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On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Ryan Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Rabid Wombat wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
From my high-school chemistry, neutralization makes slatwater and a lot of heat.... (Or that's what the teacher claimed)... Without a way to dump the pressure generated this way, yes you could have an explosion...
Time to go back to high school. It's just a molocule swap.
On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 09:36:59AM -0500, Rabid Wombat wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Matthew Ghio wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
[1] Grab a totally random sample of 100 high school students. Haul the students out one at a time and ask them the following questions: [snip] 11) Michelle mixes one gram of HCl and one half gram of NaOH. Under normal circumstances, what is produced and in what quantities?
The correct answer is an explosion and a big mess. One student in my high school chemistry class learned this the hard way. :)
Um, salt water explodes?
Well, if it was 40 grams of NaOH and 36.5 grams of HCl, then you would have 18 grams of water and 58.5 grams of NaCl. With 1g HCl to .5g NaOH, well, you have an acidic, salty, mess. However, HCl is a gas at STP, and NaOH is a solid... Basically, it's an incredibly poorly worded question. -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
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Anonymous
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dlv@bwalk.dm.com
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