-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Remailers exist (at least mine does) to make possible the dissemination of unpopular views. "Unpopular" depends on context; so does "abuse". The line between "unpopular" and "abuse" is difficult to draw. On the one hand, the recent "Mr. Pedophile" message seemed intended to make the recipient uncomfortable or offended probably because of illegitimate reasons (purportedly, pedophilia). Other messages which cause complaints seem to be responses to something that the "victim" has done or said somewhere else. It's tempting to say that a message which lays out in logical fashion coherent arguments explaining why the "victim's" original message is wrong is likely to cause discomfort or embarassment but is legitimate, while a message which says, to quote from a complaint message I received this weekend, "Fuck you asshole. I hope you choke on your son's sperm." isn't legitimate even though it may also cause discomfort or embarassment. So I guess it's not so much a message's effect upon its recipient (or its intended effect) which is legitimate or illegitimate as it is the message's means of doing so. And that seems really tough to judge, where a remailer operator doesn't know the context in which a message is sent. (I do think it's possible that the "Mr. Pedophile" message was sent by another child or teenager intending to torment the target, not by an actual pedophile. It's possible that the sender was the target himself. It's also possible that the sender was an actual pedophile or a child-hostile adult, but that's not the only plausible explanation. People do strange, strange stuff.) In a situation where person A uses system X to send messages to person B who uses system Y, I'm not sure what B can expect from the system operator of system X. (I'm thinking about net custom here, not law.) If A wants to send messages to B, but B doesn't want to receive them, should A be forced to stop sending? Does X have an obligation to make A stop? Does X have an obligation to modify his system such that messages from A to B are automagically suppressed? Does X have an obligation to refuse service to A (and forego payment for service from A) if A won't stop sending to B? Is the answer different if B doesn't want the messages because they (are likely to) contain profanity? or because they are from a person of the wrong religion? or because they're hostile or argumentative? As a first response I'm likely to say that if A knows (or should know, or can guess and be pretty certain of the result) that B doesn't want to get a particular message, A shouldn't send it. But then I realize that there are a number of exceptions - what about if A's message to B is in response to a spam or otherwise inappropriate message from B? what about where B owes A money? or if B has said something ridiculous or stupid and A is writing to correct B? I think that there wouldn't be many inappropriate posts sent to the C-punks list, for example, if everyone who thought a post was inappropriate (not just factually arguable, or uninteresting) sent a message to that effect; the impact of just a few hundred such messages in reply to a single message would likely be burdensome enough to make the sender think twice before sending again. But that inconvenience is anticipated by (and motivates) the senders of those hundreds of messages. I still don't think it's wrong to send the messages. I guess my point is that eliminating "abuse" is pretty much impossible because abuse is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think we need to rely on the mercy or good graces of the net at large, though - remailers will likely prove to be as difficult to eliminate as spammers have been. The net is too big to be centrally policed, and individual providers often have an incentive to tolerate behavior otherwise frowned upon because they're being paid to do so. (and if they begin content filtering they may lose any sort of quasi-common-carrier status they might enjoy now, viz _Cubby v. Compuserve_, etc.) Even if the United States adopts rules requiring messages be identified as to the sender, it won't be possible to eliminate overseas remailers - and I imagine that folks would just start up pseudonymous remailers. (I've worked on some prototype code and will deploy a pseudonymous remailer - where people get names like "fjones@pseudo.goldenbear.com <Frank Jones>" instead of "an12345@pseudo.goldenbear.com <Anonymous Sender>", in order to divert or confuse anti-anonymous policies or programs.) I think adopting a submissive or apologetic stance with respect to the operation of a remailer is a mistake. What we do is protected by the First amendment, supports a 200+ year tradition of anonymous political speech in America, provides a valuable service to a worldwide community, and can help avoid the very abuse they are accused of facilitating. The child who was the target of the "Mr. Pedophile" message(s) should have been taught how to use remailers and how to maintain his privacy on the net so that, if he really is the victim of some sort of random child stalker, it won't happen again. There's no reason why any child should post to the net under their real name, or why their messages should be traceable to their physical bodies. If we're concerned about protecting kids from bad people who might reach them via the net, we need to teach kids how to send untraceable and unreplyable messages; how to send messages and do business on the net without allowing hostile or unscrupulous people to track them down; and how to make good choices about revealing personal information only to people who have a good reason to know it. People who are the targets of abusive messages or are concerned about abusive messages are some of the people who need remailers and need pro-privacy network tools the most. Giving in to a knee-jerk anti-privacy reaction only reinforces the erroneous notion that security is created by an enforced lack of privacy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMK/ZRn3YhjZY3fMNAQHQkQQAmLlRGcwEbJyhb9dYm3dx/BoRj0NBTUr3 MOmRkP2+AtdCKL8gcaWhnY9TeXHj7enezo5TF8ooqvcOLEha29mL9Q+G08t2pkoM SGHr79Yr38syc6Mf+1pXAN7T1Dn600xgnJsDmrFFoQI5H0ZSeA6oLT3ShzhWpsJ/ 3FuNvR7TyLg= =nsOZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, 19 Nov 1995, Greg Broiles wrote:
I think adopting a submissive or apologetic stance with respect to the operation of a remailer is a mistake. What we do is protected by the First amendment, supports a 200+ year tradition of anonymous political speech in America, provides a valuable service to a worldwide community, and can help avoid the very abuse they are accused of facilitating. The child who was the
[extremely lucid comments clipped to save bandwidth] Agreed, wholeheartedly. The above paragraph would be a perfect candidate for wide disemination across the net. The facts are that to eliminate the "abusive" mail would require crippling the remailer system to an unacceptable degree. Therefore we as operators are in a position of being forced to either tolerate messages that we may disagree (strongly) with, shut down the remailers, or resort to inadequate 40bit encryption and psuedo-anonymous Penti.fi remailing. (no offense to Julf intended..) I see nothing submissive or apologetic about pointing this fact out in a focused and organised way. In fact, making this fact plain might actually limit the number of people using the remailers to harrass other users. If general oppinion is that remailer operators accept and condone /all/ forms of communication, without regard for it potential effects, why shouldnt the spammer take advantage of our generosity? Certainly being PC should not be the primary consideration in any undertaking, but the united states (and other nations) have well paid and well organised spin doctors working to convince the public that cryptographers and remail operators are "bad" people who's only purpose is to aid pedophiles and other criminals in carrying out their dastardly deeds. Ignoring the political implications of operating a remailer is simply foolish. Public oppinion is going to be an important consideration when the laws come to the table. Sure, we could move the remailers off shore, but why do that unless we have to? The idea of being a "cryptorebel", or an underground warrior for peace and privacy is certainly romantic, but i'd like to think that it doesnt have to be that way. Then again, i didnt need propaganda to convince me that I needed privacy. Maybe im just strange..
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