Ray, your little rant about Detweiler, with those "I'm going to kill you" things, is really getting on my nerves as well. "wimp" and so on are ad-hominems of the worst kind; in Berkeley we'd take that as a homophobic slur similar to saying, "typical Jewish attitude" or some such. Please stop clogging the mailing list with this bullshit, like NOW. If you have rational points to make in a spirit of good will, please do so. If all you have to say is along the lines of your last posting, then I'd urge you to get the hell off this list, and find somewhere else to play dumb games. -gg