Hmmmm . . . After following this list for a while I offer the following observation: "Would it be better to DEMAND the full disclosure of the governments secrets rather than scramble around trying to keep ours." I am prepared to allow governments full access to my communications when they allow me full access to theirs. But then again, why be governed in the first place? Peter Nicol Global Media Magnet nicol@iap.net.au 019 111 943 "Nonlinear models differ form linear ones in a number of ways. Rather than trying to figure out all the chains of causality, the modeler looks for nodes where feedback loops join and tries to capture as many of the important loops as possible in the system's "picture." Rather than shaping the model to make a forecast about future events or to exercise some central control, the nonlinear modeller is content to perturb the model, trying out different variations in order to learn about the system's critical points and its homeostasis (resitance to change). The modeler is not seeking to control the complex system by quantifying it and mastering its causality; she wants to increase her "intuitions" about how the system works so she can interact with it more harmoniously."
Hmmmm . . .
After following this list for a while I offer the following observation:
"Would it be better to DEMAND the full disclosure of the governments secrets rather than scramble around trying to keep ours."
I am prepared to allow governments full access to my communications when they allow me full access to theirs.
Well I for one am not.
What the government does is our business as they work for us. We have every right to DEMAND full acess to what they are doing.
The government does not have the right to access to what it's citizens are doing.
Hmmm . . . "The Govenment" or "GovernmentS" . . . perhaps a fine point.
This is a simple boss-employee relationship and the government is *NOT* the boss.
Ugly! I do not enter into boss-employee relationships as either the boss or the employee. I work/play WITH people FOR people as a node in the network, not a part of the heirarchy. Ummm . . . You seem to have missed/not quoted the other part of my post. Peter Nicol Global Media Magnet nicol@iap.net.au 019 111 943 (OZ) "Nonlinear models differ form linear ones in a number of ways. Rather than trying to figure out all the chains of causality, the modeler looks for nodes where feedback loops join and tries to capture as many of the important loops as possible in the system's "picture." Rather than shaping the model to make a forecast about future events or to exercise some central control, the nonlinear modeller is content to perturb the model, trying out different variations in order to learn about the system's critical points and its homeostasis (resitance to change). The modeler is not seeking to control the complex system by quantifying it and mastering its causality; she wants to increase her "intuitions" about how the system works so she can interact with it more harmoniously." - Turblulent Mirror
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Hmmmm . . .
After following this list for a while I offer the following observation:
"Would it be better to DEMAND the full disclosure of the governments secrets rather than scramble around trying to keep ours."
I am prepared to allow governments full access to my communications when they allow me full access to theirs.
Well I for one am not. What the government does is our business as they work for us. We have every right to DEMAND full acess to what they are doing. The government does not have the right to access to what it's citizens are doing. This is a simple boss-employee relationship and the government is *NOT* the boss. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6A7PY9Co1n+aLhhAQGo/gP8DQYlGj4wsGFxmqeJn3NusHrZRA61bm4n lrRI2UAAJUNUZHyZ3a6nH0jb12pJuNHl1Iv3sUKcAph0jagxEqWw1UyYuhmeiEZc T9A6QJl34EJCR3gNeQdxVxrXwW6DtVj7q5d27hVEhFgrgd+w6rUuKWv7WAJvViVO KSZY8t//ZJs= =JYGg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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