the VTW---FBI Connection
We have received information that VTW is run and supported by the FBI, which we have suspected for reasons listed here. I) They appear to have no financial support or funding source. They do not accept donations. They have no corporate funds. And yet they appear to be a thriving business. II) They are secretive about their location, and do not seem to have a headquarters. The address listed in the NIC is a vacant lot in of all places Brooklyn, NY. They do not have a listed telephone. III) On a tip from a "friend" we learned that the power leader behind VTW is a cleancut man with the unusual name "Shabbir M. Safdar." Not exactly a common name. Several people say they've met him. Our "friend" says that Mr. Safdar is in reality an agent of the FBI. IIII) We didn't believe this without external verification. So we called the Brooklyn office of the FBI and asked for Agent Safdar. No such person. I called the Washington office. No such person. Checked if there is any agent named Safdar. They don't give out this info. Then we tried to find ANY public records on a Safdar, with no luck. No driver's license in NY, DC, NJ, etc. No phone, etc. Odd that such a person does not exist and yet runs a "human rights" organization? Then Alice called the NY FBI office. Asked for Agent Safdar. Guess what? "He's not in. Can I take a message". No message, thanks. He'll get the message all right. Now the big question: What is the FBI trying to do getting all these names? What else has "VTW" been doing? And what other organizations like them are there? Who else is in on it? What does this say about EPIC, CDT, EFF? Are Blaze and Schneier dupes, or willing participants? What about their ISP? I think we are all owed an explanation. This is serious. Maybe FOIA or a lawsuit before they burn the files. What do you want to bet "VTW" quietly fades away after a few prefunctory denials, and gets replaced by another organization in due course? Faithfully, Net reporter team Alice and Bob
Anonymous writes:
We have received information that VTW is run and supported by the FBI, which we have suspected for reasons listed here.
You are out of your mind.
I) They appear to have no financial support or funding source. They do not accept donations. They have no corporate funds. And yet they appear to be a thriving business.
They aren't a "thriving business". "They" are Shabbir and some volunteers. No one works on it full time. "They" don't need any money. Alexis Rosen at Panix donates their web space.
II) They are secretive about their location, and do not seem to have a headquarters. The address listed in the NIC is a vacant lot in of all places Brooklyn, NY.
Vacant my ass. It should take you one guess to figure out what the address actually is.
III) On a tip from a "friend" we learned that the power leader behind VTW is a cleancut man with the unusual name "Shabbir M. Safdar." Not exactly a common name. Several people say they've met him. Our "friend" says that Mr. Safdar is in reality an agent of the FBI.
Mr. Safdar is a computer programmer in New York.
IIII) We didn't believe this without external verification. So we called the Brooklyn office of the FBI and asked for Agent Safdar. No such person. I called the Washington office. No such person. Checked if there is any agent named Safdar. They don't give out this info.
No driver's license in NY, DC, NJ, etc.
Shabbir doesn't drive. Most people who live in New York City don't. I've known of him for years before he did VTW. You're on drugs. Perry
I) They appear to have no financial support or funding source. They do not accept donations. They have no corporate funds. And yet they appear to be a thriving business.
They make millions of bits per month! And I bet they pay taxes on nary a one. Call the IRS!
IIII) We didn't believe this without external verification. So we called the Brooklyn office of the FBI and asked for Agent Safdar. No such person. I called the Washington office. No such person. Checked if there is any agent named Safdar. They don't give out this info.
Shibbir could never cut it as a Fed -- his suit is not bland enough & his hair is too long.
No driver's license in NY, DC, NJ, etc.
A NYC native like Shibbir driving? THAT would be a threat to National Security. Why do you think we locked 'em all up on that island, anyhow? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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III) On a tip from a "friend" we learned that the power leader behind VTW is a cleancut man with the unusual name "Shabbir M. Safdar." Not exactly a common name. Several people say they've met him. Our "friend" says that Mr. Safdar is in reality an agent of the FBI.
Damn, he's onto us. Special Agent Allbery, your cover is blown. - -rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMfMZNpNcNyVVy0jxAQHqhQH/Vz9uD9rdblqJxDAf77CIoSaS1VCaWulV vA15PoYuedXJdjEm/+LIxvoSRZbep30XmzDuf+ycFz4YAkW07oDs0Q== =cnt4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Rich Graves <rich@c2.org> writes:
On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Anonymous wrote:
III) On a tip from a "friend" we learned that the power leader behind VTW is a cleancut man with the unusual name "Shabbir M. Safdar." Not exactly a common name. Several people say they've met him. Our "friend" says that Mr. Safdar is in reality an agent of the FBI.
Damn, he's onto us. Special Agent Allbery, your cover is blown.
So, Russ is a stool pigeon? That figures... --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
Dr. Dimitri Vulis KOTM <dlv@bwalk.dm.com> writes:
Rich Graves <rich@c2.org> writes:
Damn, he's onto us. Special Agent Allbery, your cover is blown.
So, Russ is a stool pigeon? That figures...
I have it on quite good authority that I am an undercover plant for Gharlane and all that I see and hear is being relayed to Higher Powers. Unfortunately, my cover is so deep that I can have no conscious knowledge of this, so I can neither confirm or deny the theory. I do, however, have a very impressive black suit in my closet that I have no memory of buying.... As for the VTW, I'm afraid you'll have to ask someone else. I have a strict rule against interfering with Illuminati operations. -- Russ Allbery (rra@cs.stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Net reporter team Alice and Bob wrote:
I) They appear to have no financial support or funding source. They II) They are secretive about their location, and do not seem to have III) On a tip from a "friend" we learned that the power leader behind VTW IIII) We didn't believe this without external verification. So we called
I think you're onto something, but no one will believe you until you come up with a few more damning "coincidences"--say, IIIII and IIIIII. Ted
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