Re: FLT 800: From the Rumor Mill...But It Makes Sense.. (fwd)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:29:56 -0400 From: Ralph Jennett <jennett@citicom.com> To: Alan Horowitz <alanh@widomaker.com> Subject: Re: FLT 800: From the Rumor Mill...But It Makes Sense.. The problem is, from my experience at Roosevelt Roads, the Navy never conducts live fire exercises without declaring the area of operation strictly off limits to non-military aircraft. Also, the 747 would have shown up WITH ITS TRANSPONDER DATA on the screens on an Aegis ship, so why would they fire? And, I didn't think that a P3 pilot would fly around in controlled air space with his transponder shut off, especially when he might become a target himself (or just a victum of a mid air collision) if he isn't squawking. I suppose the story that you sent could be true, but if it is, I'm surprised that nothing like that ever happened before, given the sloppy procedures being followed. The latest RELEASED data makes it sound like a bomb in the cabin (row 24, right side) is responsible. I'm not sure that I don't believe that, although I am quite suspicious of anything coming out of the justice department under the current President and Attorney General.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In message <Pine.UW2.3.93.960831232038.22836C-100000@wilma>, Alan Horowitz writ es:
The problem is, from my experience at Roosevelt Roads, the Navy never conducts live fire exercises without declaring the area of operation strictly off limits to non-military aircraft. Also, the 747 would have shown up WITH ITS TRANSPONDER DATA on the screens on an Aegis ship, so why would they fire? And, I didn't think that a P3 pilot would fly around in
This has happened before; an Aegis ship in the Persian Gulf shot down an Iranian Airlines (or whatever it's called) aircraft; i'm not sure how many died in that incident (i think about 70 - can very well be wrong). The US just "apologized" for the mistake AFAIK. - -Angelos PS. This happened 8-10 years ago if i recall well. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMim0Lr0pBjh2h1kFAQF8AwP8CHSR3sz4tWUbulIWyYgpULLJHtFD3Wag KQx7t+nWyt78TWvZzsFwgGhD295+Ki3PTUGPlWHqO1p0SftReHXuNqOqYXY6EI1p S7eSrrML2YbUTlJ7GLgPCwYEwaeHuyFUNRHoIwmFBLjDnlJZRhKYhhomw5k7EKvl mwU6daPDCiY= =u9kk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Aegis ship in the Gulf wzs not in an exercise. It was in a war zone. If my memory serves, the Iranian jetliner had its squawker turned off, or broken. The officer in charge in the CIC had about ten seconds to decide if he was about to be locked-on by a missle. And no real information to make the decision with.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In message <Pine.SV4.3.91.960901205930.2611B-100000@larry.infi.net>, Alan Horow itz writes:
The Aegis ship in the Gulf wzs not in an exercise. It was in a war zone.
If my memory serves, the Iranian jetliner had its squawker turned off, or broken. The officer in charge in the CIC had about ten seconds to decide if he was about to be locked-on by a missle. And no real information to make the decision with.
There's still the possibility that something malfunctioned (but not fatal - otherwise - for the plane). I'm not saying it's what happened, but it's a distant possibility. - -Angelos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMio0Kr0pBjh2h1kFAQEHHgQAnRl8UhCE+VMQc522VK5wM1onihgI0TMg 6O5tE+b7VRjuT71X8NabxTcoHqs2bePmTbcof62lAJfS61cZNfCuiEO+Pl7Xg/pg bqcLtwB8BJqAIluFt9s5kAXK2MxHJrZYDKc1ORkH0C4BqkRuYN09zNYuZ1+YegH6 TfYXEnNKC9s= =BjDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Alan Horowitz wrote:
The Aegis ship in the Gulf wzs not in an exercise. It was in a war zone.
If my memory serves, the Iranian jetliner had its squawker turned off, or broken. The officer in charge in the CIC had about ten seconds to decide if he was about to be locked-on by a missle. And no real information to
I think it was actually a combination of a design flaw in the user interface for the control system combined with a human error that led to the radar officer confusing the airbus with an (F4?) a hundred miles away that he'd previously clicked on. ----- Cause maybe (maybe) | In my mind I'm going to Carolina you're gonna be the one that saves me | - back in Chapel Hill May 16th. And after all | Email address remains unchanged You're my firewall - | ........First in Usenet.........
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