Take note: If you want me to read you, cc me since I unsubscriVed :) from Cypherpunks... While frothing at the mouth (and god knows what other sphincters...), on a 22 May 96 at 12:37, somebody that behaves like a Rotweiller wrote:

oh, so in other words, a lot of "innocent" people will be murdered under AP. ah, another great "feature", not a "bug", right??

Yes, but please note that the point for the validating of his statement is that even if this will happens, overall, *less innocents* will suffer from the seemingly random violence of AP than from the actual system. He might be wrong, but you seem to bring no new knowledge that would elucidate the question. Should the US have not dropped the A-Bomb on Japan and let happen 10 times mores casualties (from both sides)? The following paragraphs illustrate very well the way our local Rotweiller sees the world, which is very close to the vision of most statists.

ah, like murder. I see. well, I think you are violating my rights by disagreeing with me. I shall arrange your consequences accordingly.

but who decides what is wrong? the arbitrary opinion of some single human idiot out anywhere in the world? don't you see the tyranny of this?

it is far worse than the tyranny of a government if I were to be killed by someone who believes that I violated his rights by breathing air particles or whatever. via AP, you wish to give him the mechanism to murder me without trace.

Why do you fear so much for yourself? I guess, thoses who want to murder for all sort of reasons like hunting white baby seals or smoking in public simply share your psycho-epistemology. They would have no reasons to put a contract on you. Or would they anyways?

deny rights, legitimacy, justice, blah, blah, blah. the terms you use have no meaning in the system you are advocating. there are no "rights" in an anarchy, because a government is the entity created to safeguard/protect them. all actions are legitimate in an anarchy, because there is no civilized system that rejects any ones in particular.

By definition, you are right. But note that *they* never advocated true anarchy, only *you* claim that they do. Their vision of Life clearly entail some vision of Rights, Rules of Conduct, etc. They did *not* rule out laws, they only said that they do not like laws that are there to oppress peoples. Now, might you say, how are you gonna know? Because your philosophy is somewhat of a cross between Nietche and Sartre, you see no way out. But they (proponents of AP) have a vision of life that value, as the good old american constitution say, life, liberty and "pursuit of happiness". I might even agree with you, dear Rotty, that Jim Bell is a bit naive and shows a kind of outdated philosophy. Jim Bell et al. entertain the delusion that human beings are intrinsically joyous rationnal animals that, most of the time, love life. Therefore, for them, the AP scheme cannot lead to anything but a kind of laissez-faire world where everybody would be able to pursue happiness to the best of their abilities. OTOH, you believe that the natural tendency of AP would bring a world as you describe it vocally here. A world where the essence of Mankind is not to be a rationnal animal, but an animal, period. In that vision, you believe that a bloodthirsty beast within us will always take over. Maybe you learned that truth from your *own* life experience, I have no idea. So, according to your logic, anybody who doesn't like you will put a prize on your head, and probably look up the necrology section of the paper everyday while gigling. And here, I have to conceed that you may be right. After all, what philosophy ran the country since a hundred years? Huhh? So many peoples are so convinced of that that AP might very well turn against it's originator and further corruption. Don't you think so?

if you think that a government is a tyranny, perhaps you are not aware of the tyranny of the irrationality of individual men.

That sentence should earn one of the top spot of the CP top-ten-of-the-year list! ROTFL and L and L and L !

it will "work" exactly as anonymous murdering now works.

Nobody is more deaf than the blind who does not want to smell...

ah yes, exactly what we need. "enhanced anarchy". you and TCM really should get together and collaborate. I'm sure you'd come up with some fruitful conclusions.

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