[ANSWER] NIST's ftp site
Thanks to all who responded to my question. The answer is: csrc.ncsl.nist.gov Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with the following: Appendix A This section contained a listing of the source code referenced in the Automated Password Generator Standard. This section is not available in electronic form. Complete copies of FIPS 181, including this appendix, may be purchased in hardcopy from the National Technical Information Service (NTIS) via mail or telephone. National Technical Information Service U.S. Department of Commerce 5285 Port Royal Road Springfield, VA 22161 (703) 487-4650 Order by FIPSPUB181 Price: $22.50 (Same address and phone number for discount prices on quantity orders.) -------------- I wonder if they'll ship to an address outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if the people who package and mail the stuff even look at it? Jim_Miller@suite.com
Thanks to all who responded to my question.
The answer is: csrc.ncsl.nist.gov
Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with the following:
It wasn't/isn't the only ftp site in US that has fips181.txt available. There are other sites that still have the information. Besides I doubt that anyone would having problems finding sources of DES they are all over the net (in and out of US). Clearly ITAR fails so be happy. [stuff deleted]
I wonder if they'll ship to an address outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if the people who package and mail the stuff even look at it?
Why bother just find it on another site, there are plenty out there.
Jim_Miller@suite.com
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It wasn't/isn't the only ftp site in US that has fips181.txt available. There are other sites that still have the information. Besides I doubt that anyone would having problems finding sources of DES they are all over the net (in and out of US). Clearly ITAR fails so be happy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - blatant statements tend to get flamed so I thought I should follow up a little.
What I mean is it clear that ITAR fails to stop the exporting of crypto (for the individual). We have seen many examples when code has already found its way outside the US, before it even becomes availiable to many machines in the US (PGP,RSAREF,...). Also *most* algorithms developed in the US are documented extensively in text that is also available outside (with conference proceedings, journals, etc), it is just a matter of writting the code. Clearly if ITAR was to work it would require text exports to be banned as well.
From what I see, ITAR is only slight inconvience to the non-US individual, whereas it is also a major thorn to US software developers that can't release single versions of software containing crypto, in that they have to have US and Rest-of-World versions, ala PGP (unless they develop the software outside of the US ?).
-- +---------------------+--------------------------------------------------+ | ____ ___ | Justin Lister ruf@cs.uow.edu.au | | | \\ /\ __\ | Center for Computer Security Research | | | |) / \_/ / |_ | Dept. Computer Science voice: 61-42-835-114 | | | _ \\ /| _/ | University of Wollongong fax: 61-42-214-329 | | |_/ \/ \_/ |_| (tm) | Computer Security a utopian dream... | | | LiNuX - the only justification for using iNTeL | +---------------------+--------------------------------------------------+
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In list.cypherpunks you write:
Thanks to all who responded to my question.
The answer is: csrc.ncsl.nist.gov
Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with the following:
I have a copy of FIPS181 with Appendix A intact. I can mail a copy if you like. (as an aside to the Cypherpunks list, if there's a demand, I'll make it available on my mail server) - -- Roy M. Silvernail, writing from roy@sendai.cybrspc.mn.org "Anything but Nixon, man... a blender. Anything!" -- National Lampoon, when they were funny -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLf+afRvikii9febJAQEVOgP8D+90S/w5qsf8KCLvlx3ryjo8VT+1mtXL 3dm3nmGBPEthnVOlka2Xgms++TeBbt4zErTXhXXQOnwykFhEDqSrG6++pWgc3BNV RMGZi1yOpGCE+82Kp990NltUGK/5AiQmlZAerpYUPIczwgg/YwWyOQHylwXGClKE kp3qn6mkAkQ= =JKho -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Thanks to all who responded to my question.
The answer is: csrc.ncsl.nist.gov
Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with the following:
Did anyone actually grab it while it was around? If it's still available anywhere, i'd appreciate a tip-off... -- * * Mikolaj J. Habryn dichro@tartarus.uwa.edu.au * "I'm just another sniper on the information super-highway." PGP Public key available by finger * #include <standard-disclaimer.h>
Thanks to all who responded to my question.
The answer is: csrc.ncsl.nist.gov
Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with the following: ...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- If you are in the U.S. or Canada you can get the unexpurgated version from ftp.wimsey.bc.ca: /pub/crypto//software/dist/US_or_Canada_only_XXXXXXXX/FIPS181/ - -rw-r--r-- 1 markh user 28214 Mar 01 14:23 fips181.txt.gz - -rw-r--r-- 1 markh user 28184 Apr 14 14:40 word.c.gz get the following two files. word.c is a version that actually compiles. The original code in FIPS 181 needed a few cosmetic changes to actually compile correctly. (usual mechanism with the XXXXXXXX, cd /pub/crypto/software and get the file README. If you agree to the terms, follow the instructions) Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.4 iQBVAgUBLf+CDmrJdmD9QWqxAQFafQH/dcemKhwZwNbPprQ+MGRr5omo9yBrvdR3 gZR7Hczy7L1JYBH+OdoDDgvEbNs8o3e99dpaE5v61pUJT2VVRa00jg== =iXvu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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jim＠bilbo.suite.com -
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Mikolaj Habryn -
roy＠sendai.cybrspc.mn.org