gentlemen, why don't you relax: 1) I bet that if Ross slapped Tim, he would not shoot Ross 2) I bet that Ross will not slap Tim, regardless of 1) 3) It is often easy to make a judgment about people, and hard for other people to change others' judgment 4) it follows from 3) that flamewars are useless Ross Wright wrote:

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 21:32, Timothy C. May wrote:

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Indeed, I added "Ross Wright" to my Eudora filter file after his "slap you around" message several days ago, so I was mercifully spared from reading

As to why he got *plonked*, this is the price people pay for writing such things as "maybe we need to slap him around." I have more than 20 in my

Oh, and posting private mail is not considered acceptable behavior.

What's next? If Timmy doesn't like what I write will I be kicked off like the Doctor? Wow! From Timmy's trash bin to Kook of the Month FAME!!!!! What more could I ask for? Fuck You, Too, Timmy! But I refuse to censor my own input, so I'll still have to see your fucking stuff. ShitHead. Hostile Agent!

How come it took over a year to get this far?

Ross (Proud to be in Timmy's Filter File) Wright

=-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

- Igor.

Timothy C. May wrote:

Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's "Why can't we all just get along?"

Tim, Have you 'coined a phrase' here? Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the 'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language. Toto

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <219sZD42w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 12/31/96 at 11:59 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said: ::> Timothy C. May wrote: ::> > ::> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's ::> > "Why can't we all just get along?" ::> ::> Tim, ::> Have you 'coined a phrase' here? ::> Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the ::> 'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language. ::> Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the ::> president, says just that? ::have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray ::the U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing ::them all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20 ::years ago. 20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was still somewhat respectful of the USG. Other than the liberals who give Bubba a birthday party --probably more for their own publicity (except Barbra), most everybody is getting fed up with the government and beginning to realize the USG not only over governs, but the public is also beginning to understand the usurpation of power, and the basic unconstitutionality of the regulatory agencies. Utah is as good an example as any; they have never been Fed supportive (even if it was Republican), but the church mandate is to support the government --however, they are quickly swinging to a large majority which not only does not like the Federal government, but who are also actively stating the government is illegal-- and the church is silent. The other Intermountain states have been just plain independent minded, but tolerated the Feds. Not any more. Idaho and eastern Washington are not a safe place for the Feds. Montana makes no bones about it; Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico are vocal. And AZ is as pissed as they come over the MJ pronouncement "--what do you mean the Feds are telling us our vote is worthless and our States' Rights don't mean pig shit." Nobody particularly cares about the MJ, it's the pure and simple emphasis on States' Rights and the Voters' Rights to self-determination and the 10th Amendment. Analysis of California attitudes is even more revealing; the statement the DEA would pull prescription permits from doctors prescribing maryjane in AZ and CA has stirred a firestorm which will only get larger. The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!" The question then is, how long before the Eastern whimps and liberal tit suckers wake up and realize they too are about to lose the option of being liberal tit suckers? Of all things, MJ may be the last straw (going up in smoke <g>); now, if the press will get off their sensationalism on the CDA and talk about what it is we are really fighting --free speech as a whole, Thomas Jefferson might wake up one day soon and say: "Alright! but it took you stupid bastards more than the 20 years to have a little revolution to teach Washington who the government serves!" Maybe Bubba needs a little more cocaine so he gets "brave" enough to call in UN troops to quell a riot... then WE watch the fun. Some of you sissies might even lift your hardware and watch your first melon explode. After the first one, it's easy. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future. --Adolf Hitler (1935) Is Adolf's future here again? 46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. ...Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government. --The USMC Combat Arms Survey The same survey had questions of obeying commands from UN officers, and obeying commands from UN officers on US territory, and against US citizens. Anybody who wants a copy of the whole survey, send me email. This was not somebody's master thesis; on some special operations bases it was given by a major, others a light bird, etc. all SEALS and USMC spec-op groups were given the "test" --the younger men were >85% compliant; the reuppers and lifers were real low on compliance (~15%). Our PC and revisionist history has built the generation they want: functionally illiterate "world-oriented" cannon fodder. stop your incessent nattering and do something constructive. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMsoGSb04kQrCC2kFAQFxkgP/SYfgRg2wMlCYoEmV4qmgdoKcC16ZfM1f 8fwZGw2zyDo+6HLWPJER4CmvKLHHD8jL5PJ5igbTguJ9590EaipQ2XN3ZKtaTEQ8 NBmXuf96Mla4BH11kkaAnQoQ7UHVNAwb1VXZFgsfujGe/fUfzYdwF/nvHQeC7Jjh Rx9BC9XFcGY= =IS/k -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

"Attila T. Hun" writes:

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In <219sZD42w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 12/31/96 at 11:59 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:

::> Timothy C. May wrote: ::> > ::> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's ::> > "Why can't we all just get along?" ::> ::> Tim, ::> Have you 'coined a phrase' here? ::> Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the ::> 'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language. ::> Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the ::> president, says just that?

::have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray ::the U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing ::them all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20 ::years ago.

20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was still somewhat respectful of the USG.

Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon got elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything he was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.

Bombing the hell out of North Viet Nam targets was evil, but effective. But: compare the way USD is portrayed in _Apocalypse Now & _Deer Hunter (a monolythic machine servings some sinister purpose and killing the natives; white people are safe; the rogue gets terminated by USG itself) with the way it's portrayed in _Rambo and _Red Dawn (gubmint abandons the pow's*, abandons the locals; useless, but barely evil, and it's not clear how far up the evil goes) and with the way it's been portrayed in this year's movies: _Courage Under Fire (a bunch of criminals trying to cover up their fuckup, all the way to the top); _Ransom (the main villain is a NYC cop, other cops are useless; it's not Federales, but close enough); _Eraser ("rogue" WitSec, the cops are the enemies); _Professional (the top villain works for the DEA). Pop movies reflect the attitudes of the audience they're made for.

And none of those movies were anywhere near the real thing.

Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.

*) Klinton's being paid by the Indonesians to "normalize" relation with VC, incorporated by reference.

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Other than the liberals who give Bubba a birthday party --probably more for their own publicity (except Barbra), most everybody is getting fed up with the government and beginning to realize the USG not only over governs, but the public is also beginning to understand the usurpation of power, and the basic unconstitutionality of the regulatory agencies.

Utah is as good an example as any; they have never been Fed supportive (even if it was Republican), but the church mandate is to support the government --however, they are quickly swinging to a large majority which not only does not like the Federal government, but who are also actively stating the government is illegal-- and the church is silent.

The other Intermountain states have been just plain independent minded, but tolerated the Feds. Not any more. Idaho and eastern Washington are not a safe place for the Feds. Montana makes no bones about it; Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico are vocal. And AZ is as pissed as they come over the MJ pronouncement "--what do you mean the Feds are telling us our vote is worthless and our States' Rights don't mean pig shit." Nobody particularly cares about the MJ, it's the pure and simple emphasis on States' Rights and the Voters' Rights to self-determination and the 10th Amendment.

That is correct, and the Feds are going to get their asses kicked in Court when they try to prosecute any Medical Doctors. The States have the right to grant medical licenses, and the Feds have nothing they should be involved with at all.

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Analysis of California attitudes is even more revealing; the statement the DEA would pull prescription permits from doctors prescribing maryjane in AZ and CA has stirred a firestorm which will only get larger.

Is that why the criminal Usenet Cabal is interfering with the propagation of sci.med.cannabis and other MJ-related Usenet newsgroups?

Yes, that is probably so. And now the cabal is trying to interfere with the new misc.legal.criminal newsgroup for medical cannabis discussions. There is a big class action lawsuit now being prepared by that Philadelphia Lawyer right now.

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The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"

The question then is, how long before the Eastern whimps and liberal tit suckers wake up and realize they too are about to lose the option of being liberal tit suckers?

We must realize that things like gun laws and drug laws and medical licensing, etc. are PURELY under the Jurisdiction of the States, and that the Feds must keep their fucking noses out of State business.

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Of all things, MJ may be the last straw (going up in smoke <g>); now, if the press will get off their sensationalism on the CDA and talk about what it is we are really fighting --free speech as a whole, Thomas Jefferson might wake up one day soon and say: "Alright! but it took you stupid bastards more than the 20 years to have a little revolution to teach Washington who the government serves!"

I have little regard for Thomas Jefferson and rest of the "founding fathers" gang. Their revolution replaced one bunch of oppressors with another; no wonder it was followed by Shay's (sp?) Rebellion (whose farmer leaders were sentenced to hang for treason; later commuted); and Alien and Sedition Acts.

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Maybe Bubba needs a little more cocaine so he gets "brave" enough to call in UN troops to quell a riot... then WE watch the fun. Some of you sissies might even lift your hardware and watch your first melon explode. After the first one, it's easy.

For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future. --Adolf Hitler (1935)

Is Adolf's future here again?

I had a great-grandfather named Adolf. The Communists killed him.

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46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. ...Consider the following statement:

I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

--The USMC Combat Arms Survey

And this guy would end up dead. The VFW and the American Legion have more firearms than he does, and the only way you will take my guns away is to kill all of us first.

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The same survey had questions of obeying commands from UN officers, and obeying commands from UN officers on US territory, and against US citizens. Anybody who wants a copy of the whole survey, send me email.

This was not somebody's master thesis; on some special operations bases it was given by a major, others a light bird, etc. all SEALS and USMC spec-op groups were given the "test" --the younger men were >85% compliant; the reuppers and lifers were real low on compliance (~15%). Our PC and revisionist history has built the generation they want: functionally illiterate "world-oriented" cannon fodder.

How does one brainwash a brainless "cypher punk"?

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

snow writes:

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"Attila T. Hun" writes:

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20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was still somewhat respectful of the USG.

Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon g elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.

The movie industry is not the same thing as the media. Observe the following: ------------------------------------------------- | | | Media ______________ | | |movie | | | | industry | | | |______________| | |_________________________________________________|

Nice ASCII art, Pedro. Are you the one contributing the 2 ASCII pictures of Timmy Mayonaise / day? Here's a Simpsons picture for you: |\/\/\/| | | | | | (o)(o) C _) | ,___| |___/ / \ / \ . . . | | | ._|\/ \/ \--. | | | \ / |__|-----| (o)(o) <_. UUUU |____C / \ ____)--( \ | ()() \____/---' | | /^^^^^^\ | | / \ \ Here's another: (#####) (#########) (##########) (##########) (##########) __&__ (##########) / \ (##########) | | (##########) | | (#########) | (o)(o) (o)(o)(##) C .---_) C (##) | |.===| /__, (##) | \__/ \ (#) /__ \ | | / \ \ ooooo | | \ _/ \_ | | \ /' `\ ( \ \ / / / \ \ \ \ / /`\_`\_ )\ > / \ \ )/ / ( |/ / / \ \ | / | . ,,/ ( \\\\` / / / \ \ /"" ( `#' ) \ |* | | | ( /\ \ ` | ' | | \ \ | | | ) ) (,) ( | ) | / | | | ( |__ | | | ( |___; | | | (__--___; /'/'/' "'"" Stop jerking off and look at your own picture. Try to concentrate when you read the next paragraph. I know it's hard for a "cypher punk" to think abstractly, but if you try real hard, and think about it for a long time, you might get it. THE MOVIE INDUSTRY, THE ADVERTIZING INDUSTRY, THE NEWSPAPER PUBLISHING INDUSTRY, THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, THE MAGAZINE PUBLISHING INDUSTRY, THE BROADCAST RADIO INDUSTRY, THE CABLE TV INDUSTRY, ETC, ARE ALL PARTS OF THE (ALWAYS HIGHLY CONCENTRATED) MEDIA INDUSTRY. IF THE RICH MOTHERFUCKERS WHO OWN THE BIG MEDIA COMPANIES HAPPEN TO BE PRO-MCGOVERN AND ANTI-WAR, THEN THE WHOLE MEDIA INDUSTRY BECOMES PRO-MCGOVERN AND ANTI-WAR, AND THE PARTS OF THE WHOLE (LIKE THE MOVIE INDUSTRY IN YOUR PICTURE ABOVE) TOO BECOME PRO-MCGOVERN AND ANTI-WAR. Hmm... Is it too much to expect a "cypher punk" to understand that a part of the whole sometimes inherits some of the properties of the whole? Probably.

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Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.

What did he do there? Media Relations? That would explain a lot of things

Dr. Grubor invented the whole Internet while in Viet Nam. You better show some gratitude, punk. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"

Bend over and vote.