At 05:25 PM 11/9/98 -0800, Matthew James Gering wrote:

Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote:

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cpunks actually contribute to this problem with their nihilistic philosophy in general. the msg is that it is a waste of time to engage in group activity or political discourse or lobbying against the govt or organization or *whatever*... it's actually just a variant on the sheeple passivity.

"If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual." --Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment

I don't think many cpunks (and other freedom loving people) are necessarily nihilistic so much as they have come to the conclusion that to ignore and/or subvert government has higher probability of success than trying to reform it -- much to the demise of the Libertarian Party. The whole cryptography and geodesic communications being the bane of the nation-state theme tends to support this idea.

Matt

The problem is ill-defined. the Problem is ill-defined. the problem is Ill-Defined. The problem is not cpunks, it is the perception others have towards cpunks. I think the laws of society will prevent the message(tm) from reaching the Sheeple(tm) because it would be a disruption in the Daily Routine(tm). Who coined the phrase; "a sane man, in an insane society...." Reeza! _____________________________________________________________________ | | | "It is a doctrine of war not to assume the enemy will not come, | | but rather to rely on one's readiness to meet him..." | | | | -- Sun Tsu | |_____________________________________________________________________|