On 05-Feb-10 09:49, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
Please use real (whole) URLs. An acquaintance used to use a URL-shortening service, they folded and his pointers are now lost for that reason, not because the actual content went away. As a cypherpunk yourself, you are a fucking idiot if you think a real cypherpunk will click on an obfuscated URL. Shame on you, RAH. Shame on the rest of you too, if you clicked that link.
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 12:37 -0500, Europus wrote:
On 05-Feb-10 09:49, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
Please use real (whole) URLs. An acquaintance used to use a URL-shortening service, they folded and his pointers are now lost for that reason, not because the actual content went away.
As a cypherpunk yourself, you are a fucking idiot if you think a real cypherpunk will click on an obfuscated URL. Shame on you, RAH.
Shame on the rest of you too, if you clicked that link.
Please stop whining and fix the problem at hand given an opportunity to do so. <http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/usb-electronic-key-impressioner-could-hel p-you-be-gone-in-60-mill/> PS: If you don't want to FOLLOW an obfuscated URL, you could just disable XS requests in your browser of choice, or if you wanted to be really l33t, Europus, netcat to the host and GET the page: nc bit.ly 80 GET /c8nXVq <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Moved</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <H2>Moved</H2> <A HREF="http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/usb-electronic-key-impressioner-coul d-help-you-be-gone-in-60-mill/">The requested URL has moved here.</A> <P ALIGN=RIGHT><SMALL><I>AOLserver/4.5.1 on http://127.0.0.1:7200</I></SMALL></P> </BODY> </HTML> Does that count as "clicking"? Am I not a tr00 cypherpunk anymore? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
On 05-Feb-10 15:08, Ted Smith wrote:
Please stop whining and fix the problem at hand given an opportunity to do so.
It's my pah-ty, I can whine if I want to. BTW, how does pointing out an issue, not qualify as fixing the problem at hand? Hmmm?
PS: If you don't want to FOLLOW an obfuscated URL, you could just disable XS requests in your browser of choice, or if you wanted to be really l33t, Europus, netcat to the host and GET the page:
I know. The point, which you missed, was RAH sending a shortened URL. If RAH wants to send URLs like that, he can. But he damages his own cypherpunk street cred, with each shortened URL. Because with that shorty URL, he makes you and me engage in labor we should not have to engage in, if only he had sent the real (target) URL instead. The question we need to be asking ourselves, why on earth did RAH go to the extra effort of creating that short URL in the first place? He's a veteran of this list, what is his angle? Or the angle of whatever it is that has its whole arm up his ass, if he really can't defend himself. Which he hasn't, yet. Tim May can't be blamed for short URLs. Do you get it now? Even then, bit.ly or shor.ty or as.sy are not guaranteed to be available in 1, 5, 10 years. Example? Shurl.com and yes, it did used to exist: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://Shurl.com Can you hear me now/yet? WOULD IT HELP IF I SHOUTED?
Does that count as "clicking"? Am I not a tr00 cypherpunk anymore?
Yes, no, and you lose. His shorty URL caused you to engage in labor you should not have had to engage in - and you were probably exposed to ads - or links to ads, as a result. When will strong encryption be baked into email clients, so that discussions like this are not necessary anymore?
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And, your demimed email client sucks too.
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 01:20 -0500, Europus wrote:
On 05-Feb-10 15:08, Ted Smith wrote:
Please stop whining and fix the problem at hand given an opportunity to do so.
It's my pah-ty, I can whine if I want to. BTW, how does pointing out an issue, not qualify as fixing the problem at hand? Hmmm?
How does whining not qualify as fixing the problem? gee, I'll let you figure that one out.
PS: If you don't want to FOLLOW an obfuscated URL, you could just disable XS requests in your browser of choice, or if you wanted to be really l33t, Europus, netcat to the host and GET the page:
I know. The point, which you missed, was RAH sending a shortened URL. If RAH wants to send URLs like that, he can. But he damages his own cypherpunk street cred, with each shortened URL.
BAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
Because with that shorty URL, he makes you and me engage in labor we should not have to engage in, if only he had sent the real (target) URL instead.
But only one of us has to do it, and the post the real link. That takes almost zero effort and benefits everyone else on the list and reading the list in decades to come. Also, BAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
The question we need to be asking ourselves, why on earth did RAH go to the extra effort of creating that short URL in the first place? He's a veteran of this list, what is his angle? Or the angle of whatever it is that has its whole arm up his ass, if he really can't defend himself. Which he hasn't, yet. Tim May can't be blamed for short URLs.
You're right! How could I not see this before! Obviously the Illuminati/Freemasons/Majestic-12/Walt Disney+Adolf Hiter have hacked RAH's brain! To the nanotubes, batman!
Do you get it now?
I believe I do. If I could summarize your main points: I. BAWWWWW BAWWWWWWWWWWW BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW II. BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW III. BAWWW! BAWWWWWWWWWW! BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW... Did I get everything right?
Even then, bit.ly or shor.ty or as.sy are not guaranteed to be available in 1, 5, 10 years. Example? Shurl.com and yes, it did used to exist: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://Shurl.com
See, there are two routes you, as first responder could have taken. 1. Resolve the complete, un-shortened link, or 2. Bitch and moan about how nobody has the cypherdick you do. (1) is productive and helps everyone. (2) is a stupid pointless waste of time. Is that the tr00 cypherpunk way?
Can you hear me now/yet? WOULD IT HELP IF I SHOUTED?
YES, YOU SHOULD TRY THAT.
Does that count as "clicking"? Am I not a tr00 cypherpunk anymore?
Yes, no, and you lose. His shorty URL caused you to engage in labor you should not have had to engage in - and you were probably exposed to ads - or links to ads, as a result.
No hon, I just grabbed it from the HTML I posted. How much cred have I lost? Should I just burn this key and switch to a new nym?
When will strong encryption be baked into email clients, so that discussions like this are not necessary anymore?
When you stop bitching and do something?
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And, your demimed email client sucks too.
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
You're right! How could I not see this before! Obviously the Illuminati/Freemasons/Majestic-12/Walt Disney+Adolf Hiter have hacked RAH's brain! To the nanotubes, batman!
Save me. Save me now. Woops. I'm exhorting other people to do my own work for me again. :-) Cheers, RAH
When will strong encryption be baked into email clients, so that discussions like this are not necessary anymore?
Well, quit yelling and show us what you can do to get Web 4.0 together. There is a whole economy to put together. Paying jobs exist. Even better, you could show entrepreneurial spirit. http://freedom.rayservers.com/Web+4.0 You may want to see: http://freedom.rayservers.com/blog1-Digital-Freedom Cheers, ---Venkat.
On 05-Feb-10 17:40, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Europus wrote:
you are a fucking idiot
Yup. That's been said before.
Here, even.
Yessir, and I'm pretty sure I've accused you of that, somewhen in the past. But. You quote me out of context. Tsk tsk.
:-)
Cheers, RAH "...and you sir, are no..."
Turnip? Gentlemanly, Ulex
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