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From rah@shipwright.com Fri Feb 5 09:50:33 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:50:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4B160967-AB89-487A-918B-348024EDE5BC@shipwright.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2928294070670819123==" --===============2928294070670819123== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cheers, RAH --===============2928294070670819123==-- From europus@gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:39:32 2010 From: Europus To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:39:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4B6C5772.4040608@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B160967-AB89-487A-918B-348024EDE5BC@shipwright.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4256180122742514002==" --===============4256180122742514002== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05-Feb-10 09:49, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > Please use real (whole) URLs. An acquaintance used to use a URL-shortening service, they folded and his pointers are now lost for that reason, not because the actual content went away. As a cypherpunk yourself, you are a fucking idiot if you think a real cypherpunk will click on an obfuscated URL. Shame on you, RAH. Shame on the rest of you too, if you clicked that link. --===============4256180122742514002==-- From teddks@gmail.com Fri Feb 5 15:09:17 2010 From: Ted Smith To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:09:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1265400525.7205.5.camel@stormbringer> In-Reply-To: <4B6C5772.4040608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0169624079090800805==" --===============0169624079090800805== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 12:37 -0500, Europus wrote: > On 05-Feb-10 09:49, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > > > > Please use real (whole) URLs. An acquaintance used to use a > URL-shortening service, they folded and his pointers are now lost > for that reason, not because the actual content went away. > > As a cypherpunk yourself, you are a fucking idiot if you think a > real cypherpunk will click on an obfuscated URL. Shame on you, RAH. > > Shame on the rest of you too, if you clicked that link. Please stop whining and fix the problem at hand given an opportunity to do so. PS: If you don't want to FOLLOW an obfuscated URL, you could just disable XS requests in your browser of choice, or if you wanted to be really l33t, Europus, netcat to the host and GET the page: nc bit.ly 80 GET /c8nXVq Moved

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Does that count as "clicking"? Am I not a tr00 cypherpunk anymore? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which h= ad a name of signature.asc] --===============0169624079090800805==-- From rah@shipwright.com Fri Feb 5 17:41:18 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:41:18 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B6C5772.4040608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0288025375887864075==" --===============0288025375887864075== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Europus wrote: > you are a fucking idiot Yup. That's been said before. Here, even. :-) Cheers, RAH "...and you sir, are no..." --===============0288025375887864075==-- From europus@gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:35:47 2010 From: Europus To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:35:47 +0000 Message-ID: <4B6CAAF8.8050400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9118582890727179061==" --===============9118582890727179061== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05-Feb-10 17:40, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Europus wrote: > >> you are a fucking idiot > > Yup. That's been said before. > > Here, even. Yessir, and I'm pretty sure I've accused you of that, somewhen in the past. But. You quote me out of context. Tsk tsk. > :-) > > Cheers, > RAH > "...and you sir, are no..." Turnip? Gentlemanly, Ulex --===============9118582890727179061==-- From rah@shipwright.com Fri Feb 5 19:22:58 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:22:58 +0000 Message-ID: <60FF61C2-BEAC-45A5-8916-694DFCAD3DDF@shipwright.com> In-Reply-To: <4B6CAAF8.8050400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4322685985737124953==" --===============4322685985737124953== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 5, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Europus wrote: > Turnip? Tim May. Cheers, RAH --===============4322685985737124953==-- From europus@gmail.com Fri Feb 5 20:48:44 2010 From: Europus To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:48:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4B6CCA0C.1050403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <60FF61C2-BEAC-45A5-8916-694DFCAD3DDF@shipwright.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3007367063030552392==" --===============3007367063030552392== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05-Feb-10 19:22, R.A. Hettinga wrote: >> Turnip? > > Tim May. Touchi, I didn't see that one coming. But I'm not him. Even back in the day, he would have ranted more, once he got started. I don't even know what a Coralito is. Ulex --===============3007367063030552392==-- From europus@gmail.com Sat Feb 6 01:22:07 2010 From: Europus To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:22:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4B6D0A36.6070301@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1265400525.7205.5.camel@stormbringer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3240222153567509836==" --===============3240222153567509836== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05-Feb-10 15:08, Ted Smith wrote: > Please stop whining and fix the problem at hand given an opportunity to > do so. It's my pah-ty, I can whine if I want to. BTW, how does pointing out an issue, not qualify as fixing the problem at hand? Hmmm? > PS: If you don't want to FOLLOW an obfuscated URL, you could just > disable XS requests in your browser of choice, or if you wanted to be > really l33t, Europus, netcat to the host and GET the page: I know. The point, which you missed, was RAH sending a shortened URL. If RAH wants to send URLs like that, he can. But he damages his own cypherpunk street cred, with each shortened URL. Because with that shorty URL, he makes you and me engage in labor we should not have to engage in, if only he had sent the real (target) URL instead. The question we need to be asking ourselves, why on earth did RAH go to the extra effort of creating that short URL in the first place? He's a veteran of this list, what is his angle? Or the angle of whatever it is that has its whole arm up his ass, if he really can't defend himself. Which he hasn't, yet. Tim May can't be blamed for short URLs. Do you get it now? Even then, bit.ly or shor.ty or as.sy are not guaranteed to be available in 1, 5, 10 years. Example? Shurl.com and yes, it did used to exist: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://Shurl.com Can you hear me now/yet? WOULD IT HELP IF I SHOUTED? > Does that count as "clicking"? Am I not a tr00 cypherpunk anymore? Yes, no, and you lose. His shorty URL caused you to engage in labor you should not have had to engage in - and you were probably exposed to ads - or links to ads, as a result. When will strong encryption be baked into email clients, so that discussions like this are not necessary anymore? > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which= had a name of signature.asc] And, your demimed email client sucks too. --===============3240222153567509836==-- From rah@shipwright.com Sat Feb 6 06:21:42 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:21:42 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B6D0A36.6070301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7692757685029249471==" --===============7692757685029249471== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 6, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Europus wrote: > cypherpunk street cred Right. Got that in spades. To burn, even. ;-) Cheers, RAH --===============7692757685029249471==-- From teddks@gmail.com Sat Feb 6 09:29:35 2010 From: Ted Smith To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1265466532.11732.8.camel@stormbringer> In-Reply-To: <4B6D0A36.6070301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6736233965933695168==" --===============6736233965933695168== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 01:20 -0500, Europus wrote: > On 05-Feb-10 15:08, Ted Smith wrote: > > > Please stop whining and fix the problem at hand given an opportunity to > > do so. > > It's my pah-ty, I can whine if I want to. BTW, how does pointing > out an issue, not qualify as fixing the problem at hand? Hmmm? > How does whining not qualify as fixing the problem? gee, I'll let you figure that one out. > > PS: If you don't want to FOLLOW an obfuscated URL, you could just > > disable XS requests in your browser of choice, or if you wanted to be > > really l33t, Europus, netcat to the host and GET the page: > > I know. The point, which you missed, was RAH sending a shortened URL. > If RAH wants to send URLs like that, he can. But he damages his own > cypherpunk street cred, with each shortened URL. BAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. > Because with that shorty URL, he makes you and me engage in labor we > should not have to engage in, if only he had sent the real (target) > URL instead. But only one of us has to do it, and the post the real link. That takes almost zero effort and benefits everyone else on the list and reading the list in decades to come. Also, BAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. > > The question we need to be asking ourselves, why on earth did RAH > go to the extra effort of creating that short URL in the first > place? He's a veteran of this list, what is his angle? Or the angle > of whatever it is that has its whole arm up his ass, if he really > can't defend himself. Which he hasn't, yet. Tim May can't be blamed > for short URLs. > You're right! How could I not see this before! Obviously the Illuminati/Freemasons/Majestic-12/Walt Disney+Adolf Hiter have hacked RAH's brain! To the nanotubes, batman! > Do you get it now? > I believe I do. If I could summarize your main points: I. BAWWWWW BAWWWWWWWWWWW BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW II. BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW III. BAWWW! BAWWWWWWWWWW! BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW... Did I get everything right? > Even then, bit.ly or shor.ty or as.sy are not guaranteed to be > available in 1, 5, 10 years. Example? Shurl.com and yes, it did > used to exist: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://Shurl.com > See, there are two routes you, as first responder could have taken. 1. Resolve the complete, un-shortened link, or 2. Bitch and moan about how nobody has the cypherdick you do. (1) is productive and helps everyone. (2) is a stupid pointless waste of time. Is that the tr00 cypherpunk way? > Can you hear me now/yet? WOULD IT HELP IF I SHOUTED? > YES, YOU SHOULD TRY THAT. > > Does that count as "clicking"? Am I not a tr00 cypherpunk anymore? > > Yes, no, and you lose. His shorty URL caused you to engage in labor > you should not have had to engage in - and you were probably exposed > to ads - or links to ads, as a result. No hon, I just grabbed it from the HTML I posted. How much cred have I lost? Should I just burn this key and switch to a new nym? > > When will strong encryption be baked into email clients, so that > discussions like this are not necessary anymore? > When you stop bitching and do something? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc] > > And, your demimed email client sucks too. Well you have a poopy face. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which h= ad a name of signature.asc] --===============6736233965933695168==-- From rah@shipwright.com Sat Feb 6 17:35:10 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:35:10 +0000 Message-ID: <68A0914A-E5A4-48C4-8FBA-55FAD31BD3FD@shipwright.com> In-Reply-To: <1265466532.11732.8.camel@stormbringer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1412732860672624889==" --===============1412732860672624889== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 6, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > You're right! How could I not see this before! Obviously the > Illuminati/Freemasons/Majestic-12/Walt Disney+Adolf Hiter have hacked > RAH's brain! To the nanotubes, batman! Save me. Save me now. Woops. I'm exhorting other people to do my own work for me again. :-) Cheers, RAH --===============1412732860672624889==-- From rah@shipwright.com Sat Feb 6 17:35:15 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:35:15 +0000 Message-ID: <8F756EEC-11D3-4479-B935-CA94A72A7CFC@shipwright.com> In-Reply-To: <1265466532.11732.8.camel@stormbringer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7750451378094361707==" --===============7750451378094361707== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 6, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Ted Smith wrote: >> And, your demimed email client sucks too. > > Well you have a poopy face. And you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny... Cheers, RAH --===============7750451378094361707==-- From rah@shipwright.com Sat Feb 6 18:17:04 2010 From: "R.A. Hettinga" To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:17:04 +0000 Message-ID: <49B4FA42-18CE-48EB-815B-D292E9885C35@shipwright.com> In-Reply-To: <8F756EEC-11D3-4479-B935-CA94A72A7CFC@shipwright.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5406932969678290517==" --===============5406932969678290517== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 6, 2010, at 6:35 PM, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > And you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny... For various definitions of "you", and just any cheesemakers in particular. Cheers, RAH --===============5406932969678290517==-- From rayservers@gmail.com Sat Feb 6 19:34:49 2010 From: Rayservers To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:34:49 +0000 Message-ID: <4B6E0A93.1000003@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B6D0A36.6070301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2254780210778625990==" --===============2254780210778625990== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > When will strong encryption be baked into email clients, so that > discussions like this are not necessary anymore? Well, quit yelling and show us what you can do to get Web 4.0 together. There= is a whole economy to put together. Paying jobs exist. Even better, you could sh= ow entrepreneurial spirit. http://freedom.rayservers.com/Web+4.0 You may want to see: http://freedom.rayservers.com/blog1-Digital-Freedom Cheers, ---Venkat. --===============2254780210778625990==-- From coderman@gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:26:23 2010 From: coderman To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Key-sniffer Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:26:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4ef5fec61002071425q364a8f45sd1b14ae651633415@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B6D0A36.6070301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0097189942963585177==" --===============0097189942963585177== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Europus wrote: > ... > The question we need to be asking ourselves, why on earth > go to the extra effort of creating that short URL in the first > place? twitter is ruining the internets... --===============0097189942963585177==--