Re: Too few cypherpunks nodes. (fwd)
Forwarded message:
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:10:59 +0100 From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Too few cypherpunks nodes.
Does anyone know how many people are using Jim's cypherpunks@ssz.com?
I don't even check, less than 100 for shure and probably less than 25. Don't remember seeing that many notices of subscription to the cpunks list. There are a LOT of info and help requests though.
Also I might point out that the afforded privacy is mostly illusionary because any TLA who cared could observe the mail fanning out from ssz.com with Sender: cypherpunks-owner@ssz.com and reconstruct the list in short order.
True, but in that case they can simply walk in with a subpeonae and take it as well, it is sitting there in a plain text file. The reason I do this is to minimize spammings and other such attacks it is not to protect anyone from a truly determined assault but rather from those marketing idiots out there with no clue as to anything close to reasonable behaviour. And yes, I realize that this can be defeated by simply subscribing to the mailing list and watching your incoming as you reference above. (Hint: I ain't a marketing weenie) There are other boogey-men than just TLA's....who in my opinion are the easiest to deal with. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage@ssz.com
Jim Choate wrote:
Forwarded message:
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:10:59 +0100 From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Too few cypherpunks nodes. Does anyone know how many people are using Jim's cypherpunks@ssz.com?
I don't even check, less than 100 for shure and probably less than 25. Don't remember seeing that many notices of subscription to the cpunks list. There are a LOT of info and help requests though.
Maybe we should put together a short document describing what cypherpunks lists are there and how to choose them. We can mentions all nodes -- ssz, cyberpass, and algebra -- in that document.
Also I might point out that the afforded privacy is mostly illusionary because any TLA who cared could observe the mail fanning out from ssz.com with Sender: cypherpunks-owner@ssz.com and reconstruct the list in short order.
True, but in that case they can simply walk in with a subpeonae and take it as well, it is sitting there in a plain text file. The reason I do this is to minimize spammings and other such attacks it is not to protect anyone from a truly determined assault but rather from those marketing idiots out there with no clue as to anything close to reasonable behaviour.
This sounds like a reasonable choice, although I chose not to do it. - Igor.
On Sat, 24 May 1997 23:54:06 -0500 (CDT), Igor Chudov (ichudov@algebra.com) wrote:
Maybe we should put together a short document describing what cypherpunks lists are there and how to choose them. We can mentions all nodes -- ssz, cyberpass, and algebra -- in that document.
I've tried to do that on my Cypherpunks-overview Web page at http://world.std.com/~franl/crypto/cypherpunks.html The Cypherpunks Home Page at http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/cypherpunks/Home.html is out of date regarding the state of the mailing list (and has many broken links as well). As I type this, the above host is up but its Web server is not. -- Francis Litterio PGP Key Fingerprint: franl@world.std.omit-this.com 02 37 DF 6C 66 43 CD 2C http://world.std.omit-this.com/~franl/ 10 C8 B5 8B 57 34 F3 21 Note: email address and WWW URL altered to prevent spam. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin, ~1784
Francis Litterio wrote:
(ichudov@algebra.com) wrote:
Maybe we should put together a short document describing what cypherpunks lists are there and how to choose them. We can mentions all nodes -- ssz, cyberpass, and algebra -- in that document.
I've tried to do that on my Cypherpunks-overview Web page at
Cool! The only paragraph that needs fixing is this: Page> To subscribe to one of the Cypherpunks mailing list distribution points Page> send email to (one of) majordomo@algebra.com, Page> majordomo@sirius.infonex.com, or majordomo@cyberpass.net with the Page> following text in the body of your email message: Actually, infonex and cyberpass are the same place. Instead, you can list majordomo@ssz.com, majordomo@cyberpass.net, and majordomo@algebra.com. - Igor.
participants (3)
-
franl＠world.std.omit-this.com -
ichudov＠algebra.com -
Jim Choate