Bert-Jaap Koops (E.J.Koops@kub.nl) wrote: : Jim Bell wrote: : [many things on "fraud"] : Excuse me if I don't react on this in detail. We have already : explained it, and there it stands: fraud means playing a game without : abiding by its rules. It's perfectly legitimate to establish a game : and to introduse rules of the game with it. If you want to play the : game, play by its rules, otherwise don't play it. If you play it : while cheating, though, you must bear the consequences ("go directly : to jail" ;-). : Bert-Jaap What Mr. Bell probably means is that 'if the powers that be' decide to unilateraly change the rules, you are lost in limbo. The notion that 'the powers that be' can be relied opun is seriously flawed, for example take in account some of the dealings of our own guvment, the abolishing of the WIR -overnight-, the proposals of Vermeent that totally neglected art. 1 WvSr. Basicly 'fraud' is a definition that benefits 'the powers that be', one that seriously harms our rights and liberties. You also state "If you want to play the game, play by its rules, otherwise don't play it." Well sometimes people have no other option then to play, and dropping out if gouvernment changes the rules unilateraly can be to costly an option .. bEST Regards, -- Alex de Joode http://www.replay.com/people/adejoode I have a linux emulator for Win95: it's called "loadlin" ... *g*