Plea for help from IRS; Liberty?
Plea from a parent who wants to keep their kid free of SSNs
David C. Treibs Fredericksburg, TX 78624 sirdavid@ktc.com
We are in trouble with the IRS, and we need help.
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For Liberty,
Although your attempts to free your children from the database establishment are admirable, please do not confuse your fight with the government over who has the "right" to >CONTROL< your children with a fight for "liberty." If your children decided they did not want to live in your house anymore, I'm sure you'd have the police round them up. If you were truely concerned with liberty, you'd be concerned with your CHILDRENS' liberty... And if so I doubt you'd have made the following statement:
The Clintons are also working to push us into the UN Rights of the Child Treaty, which shifts many parental rights and responsibilities to the government. The Clintons want to bypass parents and directly access children. How do you think they plan to monitor and enforce compliance with this horrible treaty? The SSN, in my opinion.
I am going to jump to the conclusion here that you have neither read this treaty nor do you have the slightest clue what it says or what it means. I might be wrong about that, but then you might wish to explain where "monitoring" and "enforcement" and Social Security Numbers fall into what is basically a restatement of the American Bill of Rights with the express demand that these rights be extended to minors. The United States is one of the few countries in the western world that hasn't signed it? Why? Due to numerous complex generational, economic, and political issues it has become extremely popular to blame the problems of the world on fanciful "youth predators." As a result, minors in the United States may be tried as adults in court, despite the fact they they cannot even gain standing in court and press charges themselves. They may be executed as an adult, but they may not vote as one. (Incidentally, the American practice of executing minors is extremely rare internationally and is one of the big reasons why this country remains on Humanity International's bad guy list along side places where slavery is legal.) Minors have very little right to freedom of speech and thought. Minors have no right to privacy. If the US signed this treaty they would have to remove the metal detectors from the schools, they would have to stop requiring that children carry see-through bags, they would have to allow children the right to express their beleifs, they would have to stop enforcing "anti-gang" curfew laws and loitering laws (which are far more common in peaceful suburban communities than in places that actually have problems with youth violence), and worst of all, they would have to allow children to file lawsuits against abusive parents. (Those who follow internet politics might wish to note that at the same time the Christian Coallition was screaming "protect the children from internet porn" they were also, more quitely, protesting state's ability to interfere in cases of child abuse... this is considered pro-family.) Although I no longer have to endure the numerous restrictions that the government places on minors, I am not yet old enough to have forgotten what it feels like to be treated like a criminal because of an arbitrary number overwhich I have no control, and ultimately because of a newspaper editor's profit motive. Have you ever been arrested simply because you chose to take a walk during an unapproved time of day? Although I do agree that the government should not have the ability to control how you raise your children; I feel that these "restrictions" cannot be lifted until children have the ability to fight back, or leave, when serious problems arise. The Christian Coallition would have us return to the days of Victorian "values" where child and spousal abuse were so common place that they were considered normal activity and protected by law. So I ask you not to confuse what you are doing with a fight for liberty. Liberty is not about your rights. Liberty is about everyone's rights. -- */^\* Tom Cross AKA Decius 615 AKA The White Ninja */^\* Decius@ninja.techwood.org "If the economic, social and political conditions... do not offer a basis for the realization of individuality, while at the same time people have lost those ties which gave them security... powerful tendencies arise to escape from freedom into submission." -- Erich Fromm
At 08:51 PM 09/25/1997 -0400, Decius 6i5 wrote:
The Clintons are also working to push us into the UN Rights of the Child Treaty, which shifts many parental rights and responsibilities to the government. The Clintons want to bypass parents and directly access children. How do you think they plan to monitor and enforce compliance with this horrible treaty? The SSN, in my opinion.
Somebody out there got this confused idea that Clinton's a liberal and started spreading it around; I've met liberals and he ain't one. Remember the Clinton plan for immunizing children? The alpha version had the government take over all the vaccines, register all the kids, and vaccinate them. The beta version had the government fund lots of money to buy vaccines, register all the kids, and vaccinate poor kids. A much later beta version had dropped most of the other features except registering all the kids. Now there's a new database for catching deadbeat parents that all employers have to report all newly hired employees to in case they _might_ be deadbeat parents, including name, address, SSN, and contact information. That means if I get hired as a W2 employee again, even though I've never had a kid and have no plans to, I'll be in there. Unless I refuse, and may employer has to pay the $25 fine. (It's $500 if they conspire with the employee to not file...) The newspaper reports sound like it'll be pretty easy to get information on the people in the database, and that about 60 million people get hired at jobs each year. Doesn't say anything about privacy act concerns... Back to the UN Convention on Rights Of The Child... A few years back, some of the UN employees in my Quaker meeting were organizing to have us help lobby our Congresscritters to get us to sign it, and our fine SenatorCritter Bill Bradley was a big proponent. We studied it quite a bit, though I've forgotten much detail. It has about 60 parts. There are some important things in it like governments agreeing not to draft kids younger than 16, a nd not to execute kids, and other basic civil rights things they really cared about. We were all frustrated by some of the language - stuff like "children have the right to freedom of religion, except when it interferes with the needs of social order" "children have the right to freedom of speech, except when it ...." It's also got some parts that are actively evil, in addition to parts that are mostly pandering to governments that still want to control kids. - the right to registration for social insurance Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
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