Another crypto newsgroup would be superfluous - we can talk technical on sci.crypt, politics on talk.politics.crypto, and get away with talking about implementation on sci.crypt, especially if sci.crypt.research gets created to provide a more pure crypto newsgroup. Yes, cypherpunks is already too high volume, but it does serve a purpose, and most of us could hack a forwarder into digesters or local newsgroups to feed our favorite newsreaders if we really wanted to.... Bill