Fwd: Re: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
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From: "Jean-Francois Avon" <jf_avon@citenet.net> To: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:38:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Jean-Francois Avon" <jf_avon@citenet.net> Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.00.1500) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:06 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote:
And if they really want to save some children why don't they shut down the multi-billion dollar infanticide industry known as abortion. Why are these medical hacks allowed to do to children what they would be jailed for doing to a dog? Perhaps because it serves nicely with the elitist goals of population control (need to keep the number of niggers, bean pickers, and white trash down to a controllable number) not to mention that their pockets are well lined by the hacks.
Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose". Woman right precedes the baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be to exist. But it is only *very* rarely that I disagree with you... ;-) Ciao jfa Definition: FACISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- "1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future!" -Adolf Hitler, April 1935 ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Jean-Francois Avon wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:06 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote:
And if they really want to save some children why don't they shut down the multi-billion dollar infanticide industry known as abortion. Why are these medical hacks allowed to do to children what they would be jailed for doing to a dog? Perhaps because it serves nicely with the elitist goals of population control (need to keep the number of niggers, bean pickers, and white trash down to a controllable number) not to mention that their pockets are well lined by the hacks.
Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose". Woman right precedes the baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be to exist.
as I said, I am personally against abortion, but your point is absolutely correct: it is "the freedom to chose" on the part of the woman who must carry the _potential_ child to term --and, yes, the woman is the 'sine qua non' condition. what the absolutists in the Right to Life movements do not understand, and refuse to accept, is that they have _no_ God given right to tell another what they can or can not do that does not _directly_ infringe on their own rights; as a consequence, the fanatics believe they have the God given right to legislate morality --and then there are back alley coat hanger abortions where the nascent mother is placed at an unacceptable risk. and, there is nothing sadder than an unwanted, often fatherless, child. attila out... and you better believe the following are indisputable truths....
Definition: FACISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- "1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future!" -Adolf Hitler, April 1935 -------------------------------------------------
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.BSF.3.96.980624160038.424A-100000@hun.org>, on 06/24/98 at 11:10 AM, attila <attila@hun.org> said:
Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose". Woman right precedes the baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be to exist.
as I said, I am personally against abortion, but your point is absolutely correct: it is "the freedom to chose" on the part of the woman who must carry the _potential_ child to term --and, yes, the woman is the 'sine qua non' condition.
The woman made her choice when her legs went up in the air. Because she does not wish to be inconvenienced by the consequences of her actions does not give here the right to commit murder.
what the absolutists in the Right to Life movements do not understand, and refuse to accept, is that they have _no_ God given right to tell another what they can or can not do that does not _directly_ infringe on their own rights; as a consequence, the fanatics believe they have the God given right to legislate morality --and then there are back alley coat hanger abortions where the nascent mother is placed at an unacceptable risk.
Bunk, their are numerous laws that tell others what they can or can not do. It is illegal to steal, it is illegal to commit murder. The fact they you may be stealing from someone else or trying to kill someone else does not make it any less illegal (and immoral). Every human has basics rights; the right to life being the cornerstone of those rights. I think it quite acceptable for someone to incur risks while in the act of commiting murder up to and including their own death. As far as the practitioners of murderer for profit they are no better than the Nazi's gassing the Jews.
and, there is nothing sadder than an unwanted, often fatherless, child.
Yes their is, a dead one. I suggest you talk to some "unwanted", fatherless children and ask them if they would rather be dead (not to mention die a quite painful and barbaric death). I think you will find that few of them share your opinions on the matter. <sigh> I really didn't want this to turn into an abortion debate. I was just trying to show the hypocrisy of the "save the children" crowd. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: This marks Logical End-Of-Message. Physical EOM follows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNZGRVo9Co1n+aLhhAQG3UAQAqmOrIaDiIDsvAN0Sb0pWxqR58x4ta8xg AU0GYnnETZHJOucWVsJf9qVvcVVQXa8M7Bh5e/mHAc1wL6BRmlCXmCMtXqEhXCHB z1Tm/JwJWx+v16ToNWaWt1Zmv56MwECQflJQPCcwVpBgghLPgn+vARCagjq+eTqq 5hIP8HZ6+nY= =KEEt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote:
<sigh> I really didn't want this to turn into an abortion debate. I was just trying to show the hypocrisy of the "save the children" crowd.
what I said was that I am _personally_ against abortion; and, yes, I _personally_ consider it a offense against our God; but, I do not go so far as to say it is murder in the social context; I do believe that is not my privilege to tell another they can not commit the sin of "choosing when their legs went in the air"; and, abortion statistics show that the vast majority of abortions are for "mistakes" or failure of birth control. keep in mind, the extreme right has also been campaigning to eliminate the availability of birth control --which then raises the abortion rate... and, if you want to shade the argument, should all abortion be illegal? date rape? rape? deformity? downs syndrome, bifidia? health of the mother? yes, let's drop the subject as there is no solution. few can debate the issue calmly, or even intelligently. I just look at abortion as a fact of society that has been with us for milleniums; you cant stop it any more than Prohibition was successful, or the War on Drugs has been successful. why does the government continue the war on drugs? simple, it's profitable for them in many ways (as the largest vendor, if nothing else). besides, if we want to have a pissing contest, I am as far right as it goes --with one exception: I dont want to change anyone! we call it "free-agency" --them that wish to go to Hell, line up on the left! --or dont, if you do not wish to-- the choice is yours. 'nuff said! attila out... ___________________________________________________________________ three things I dont tolerate: crackers, fed stoolies, and toadies.
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