At 05:39 AM 8/22/97 +0200, Boots wrote:
The United States has a lot of redistribution of wealth and a lot of crime.
Elminate it.
The United States has a lot of lawyers and a lot of crime.
Don't see how you can argue against that one.
The United States has a lot of guns and a lot of crime.
So? Actually, we have a lot of handguns, in the hands of criminals, and even bigger guns in the hand of government terrorist groups like the ATF, FBI, and the National Park Service. If we have guns in the hands of responsible people, we have a good society, armed, secure, and safe, like in Switzerland. We don't need disarmamant. We need armed responsible citizens forming their own militias. If we had that on a wide scale, we wouldn't need a professional army. Guns are neither good nor bad, but what we make of them. They're tools, much like plungers, which can be used to unclog a toilet after visiting a Mexican Restraunt, or to sodomize a suspect. Use plungers and guns responsibly, and for good. GunMonger
At 10:57 AM 8/22/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
There's a solution for taggers: snipers. (I'm indebted to Chip Morningstar for this succinct solution.)
I'm highly opposed to this inappropriate use of excess force. Snipers with paint-guns? Sure. Snipers with rock-salt guns? Perhaps. Snipers with real bullets? Sorry, it ain't worth murder. On the other hand, the parallels between graffiti taggers and SPAMMERs are fairly direct... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)
At 8:38 AM -0700 8/22/97, Anonymous wrote:
We don't need disarmamant. We need armed responsible citizens forming their own militias. If we had that on a wide scale, we wouldn't need a professional army.
Here in Santa Cruz, graffiti spray-painted on the walls of businesses is a big, and growing, problem. And laws require the businesses to paint over the grafitti, or otherwise render it invisible, in a quick and timely manner. (The idea is that the grafitti is offensive to the sensibilities of others, or somesuch, and that it encourages rival gangs to counter with their own grafitti.) And yet can J. Random Businessman defend his property against this defacing? Nope. The cops say "Let us handle crimes." But they don't. There's a solution for taggers: snipers. (I'm indebted to Chip Morningstar for this succinct solution.) This is just one example of how lawlessness comes from the perception that ordinary citizen-units have been rendered defenseless against predators. Another example is that of the East Bay rapist, as reported on here by Bill Stewart. Can women get concealed carry permits in California? Nope. The cops say, "We don't want citizens armed...let us enforce the laws." Right, so that woman facing a rapist gets to wait for the cops to arrive, assuming she survives the rape. Or she can carry a gun, illegally, and perhaps survive. One more way the sheep become felons. (Cops of my acquaintance urge their wimminfolk, wives and sisters and daughters and friends, to carry guns in their purses., regardless of what the law says. A cop at the Sunnyvale Rod and Gun Club gave a girlfriend of mine pointers on how to use her Mauser HSc .380. The law is an ass.) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
At 10:45 PM -0700 8/22/97, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 10:57 AM 8/22/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
There's a solution for taggers: snipers. (I'm indebted to Chip Morningstar for this succinct solution.)
I'm highly opposed to this inappropriate use of excess force. Snipers with paint-guns? Sure. Snipers with rock-salt guns? Perhaps. Snipers with real bullets? Sorry, it ain't worth murder.
On the other hand, the parallels between graffiti taggers and SPAMMERs are fairly direct...
No, "spam" is like a telephone call or other contact one may not like, but which is using a legal channel. Like someone knocking on your gate. (It may be that many of these contacts are "unwanted." So? By listing an e-mail address, or a phone number, or placing a buzzer on a gate, one is essentially saying "Contact me." Some of these contacts, even if unrequested, turn out to be positive. Some are negative. All are within legal bounds. Grafitti is a trespass onto physical property. If someone enters my property and spray paints my walls, this is criminal. It shows how overloaded and ambiguous the term "spam" has become when even a usually careful writer like Bill is equating criminal trespass with spamming. (In one of the newsgroups I read, an increasing response to unpopular views is to call them "spam." Jeesh.) --Tim There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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