Re: Anonymous proxies & ITAR question
The renter of a car or truck is not responsible for the contents. The driver of a truck is ^^^^^^
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v03102809afcb7104fd39@[207.167.93.63]>, on 06/16/97 at 03:41 PM, Tim May <tcmay@got.net> said:
The renter of a car or truck is not responsible for the contents. The driver of a truck is ^^^^^^
This is ambiguous. By this I meant the "person who rents to another," not the "person who rents from someone."
It "should" work either way. :) If I went and rented a truck and there was a "roach" in the ashtray I should not be held accountable for possesion unless it could be proved that it was mine and not from someone else that had used the truck or even a worker at the retal shop. Ofcource if I had the trailer loaded with 100K of coke it would be a little hard to say that someone else left it there. :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6XDpY9Co1n+aLhhAQH7LwP/bSRJj9IE21VHnAbrznINMUtBZ9COJ4Y+ nLfAXB45f9hRVPBwT0xBwO7DUrm4uAwNr7TC9tOD2yY07Akz2YnVuk8joHuwMdAD LadEqc1fC/1jk1C6XLw0qzIpjkiIOG0R95Y8+6t8qmb2HbxKqeVOakwXbyQ1Ms1S bmR0p+mexgA= =ZQB2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, William H. Geiger III wrote:
If I went and rented a truck and there was a "roach" in the ashtray I should not be held accountable for possesion unless it could be proved that it was mine and not from someone else that had used the truck or even a worker at the retal shop.
But if you drive for several miles, and get pulled over for speeding, the fact that it's still in the truck is probably going to land you in jail, if the cop finds some reason to search the truck. (The smell of marijuana or seeing the roach sitting the ashtray are valid reasons I believe) If you haven't disposed of it, you're probably going to land in jail.
From the law enforcement's point of view, can you see any difference between your story and that of a person who's actually smoking? (Honest officer, it was in the truck when I got in!) the evidence is there, and you'll probably need to depend on character witnesses to get out of a conviction...
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.GSO.3.95.970617010815.5659A-100000@ece>, on 06/17/97 at 12:14 AM, Ryan Anderson <randerso@ece.eng.wayne.edu> said:
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, William H. Geiger III wrote:
If I went and rented a truck and there was a "roach" in the ashtray I should not be held accountable for possesion unless it could be proved that it was mine and not from someone else that had used the truck or even a worker at the retal shop.
But if you drive for several miles, and get pulled over for speeding, the fact that it's still in the truck is probably going to land you in jail, if the cop finds some reason to search the truck. (The smell of marijuana or seeing the roach sitting the ashtray are valid reasons I believe)
If you haven't disposed of it, you're probably going to land in jail.
From the law enforcement's point of view, can you see any difference between your story and that of a person who's actually smoking? (Honest officer, it was in the truck when I got in!) the evidence is there, and you'll probably need to depend on character witnesses to get out of a conviction...
Well usually when someone gets nailed on somthing like this its in their own vehicle. I would think that with it being a rental that one would have plausible deniability and additional evidence would be required. Ofcource if when you roll down the window a big cloud of some rolls out (ala cheech & chong) that's another matter. :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6ZBdI9Co1n+aLhhAQFloQQAogLfwKfeHP71rLxlRpz1pL09cyZXNZ5y 5S7k776XTvr5Iryt7NvO84uRI3qnjtbvuctoD+lANhZeKG4Cuj4KMUoioCqotRg/ 5jeVC89CTnnorB07uDRGhVYCmlBoTBO3mDO3t4QkU60zdRdMcF6ydfppP0koys8w xKjV562B6Dk= =4zjf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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