This is not to say that I think *you* are bad at this, Mr. Weinstein, but you certainly have colleagues with the worst possible track record.

Perry

How can you say worst possible...have you forgotten Eric Allman? Wouldn't it be fun to try to come up with the 5 worst programmers (as far as sloppy security holes go). Eric completely revamped sendmail to make V8 and put in new holes in some of the same categories as some of the well known old holes:( I'm glad my code isn't held up to such public scrutiny after it's released! I'm doing some security/crypto stuff soon for my current employer and I'll run my design by some of you. I'll run the code by as well if I can get my bosses to agree. Patrick _______________________________________________________________________ / These opinions are mine, and not Verity's (except by coincidence;). \ | (\ | | Patrick J. Horgan Verity Inc. \\ Have | | patrick@verity.com 1550 Plymouth Street \\ _ Sword | | Phone : (415)960-7600 Mountain View \\/ Will | | FAX : (415)960-7750 California 94303 _/\\ Travel | \___________________________________________________________\)__________/