Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
At 2:10 AM 9/24/96, hallam@vesuvius.ai.mit.edu wrote:
like Markof are somewhat more responsible. This is not going to stop me from producing an op-ed piece linkiing the net libertarians to assasination politics unless I hear a few more repudiations of Bell's ideas. If you don't very clearly reject his murderous ideas you are going to regret it just as the left regreted having the USSR or the RAF associated with them.
I for one don't respond well to extortion threats, so write your damned
At 08:33 PM 9/23/96 -0700, tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: article. Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for some kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO. Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info or I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?" Cool. I guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth involved. I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads. That != approval for the idea. I hope you include your above quote in your piece. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon U.S. State Censorship Page at - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/state New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause
On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:
<AP stuff> Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for some kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO.
Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info or I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?" Cool. I guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth involved.
I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads. That != approval for the idea.
I hope you include your above quote in your piece.
Amen to that. Add that at least one lawyer (and former prosecutor) on the list is confident that successful prosecutions will ensue is AP ever gets off the ground. And yes, I've read Jim Bell's manifesto. The fact that no lawyer has dissected it from a legal standpoint has been used by Mr. Bell as support for the propostion that it is legal. As many professional crytographers/computer security experts/etc. on the list rightly say when free work is demanded of them: pay me my rate and I'll do the analysis. EBD
Rich
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I guess the final word on assasination politics would be obvious: It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy. I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good. The world remained just as corrupt as it always was. Phil Fraering The above is the opinion of neither my internet pgf@acadian.net service provider nor my employer. 318/261-9649
Phil Fraering <pgf@acadian.net> writes:
It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.
I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.
JFK deserved to die. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 13:40:17 EDT From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
Phil Fraering <pgf@acadian.net> writes:
It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.
I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.
JFK deserved to die.
Wile i neither agree nor disagree with your point, it does seem a bit irrelavant, but thats just MHO. --Deviant If you look rather casual with the knife when you flick it open, people don't like it. -- Gerry Youghkins
The Deviant <deviant@pooh-corner.com> writes:
It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime drive in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy.
I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good.
JFK deserved to die.
Wile i neither agree nor disagree with your point, it does seem a bit irrelavant, but thats just MHO.
Well - this thread has very little crypto-relevance (AP itself has questionable crypto-relevance, IMO, and should be discussed in talk.politics.assassination, carried by every honorable Usenet site). But as far as AP is concerned, clearly JFK's death (quite deserved) did not deter other scum like him from seeking political office. Now, if he had been tried (for treason, murder, etc) and died like a criminal, not like a hero, on national TV, that would have done a lot more damage to the image of the office of the president of the united states. Just look back at what Nixon's resignation did. I believe in public hangings after a fair trial. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
Phil Fraering wrote:
I guess the final word on assasination politics would be obvious: It's widely believed that the New Orleans Mafia (the source of my recent statement about body decomposition in Louisiana swamps) was a prime driver in the assasination of the late President John F. Kennedy. I think it's fairly safe to say that having done this didn't do them a damn bit of good. It didn't do anyone else a damn bit of good. The world remained just as corrupt as it always was.
Sometimes a person just gets mad, and what can you do? Anyway, a long time ago, someone inscribed a small stone or tablet with fragments of several obscure written languages, later to be called the Rosetta Stone. The JFK assassination is a Rosetta Stone too. Dig in!
In message <3.0b24.32.19960924064658.006b3540@mail.teleport.com>, Rich Burrough s writes:
At 08:33 PM 9/23/96 -0700, tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote in response to PH-B:
I for one don't respond well to extortion threats, so write your damned article.
I agree; PH-B is commiting a bunch of fallacies here and tarring all cypherpunks with the same brush as Jim Bell just because they haven't repudiated Assasination Politics is just being obnoxious.
I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP threads. That != approval for the idea.
Ditto; I could spend time analysing AP, but life's too short to waste it on refuting everything I disagree with in detail. Derek "who is _not_ Jim" Bell
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