Who Detweiler is *really* posting as
Hello. I've been on this list for a long time and noticed some disturbing correlations between Perry Metzger's and Detweiler's posts. Now, bear with me on this. First of all, has anyone noticed how Perry flames Detweiler with the most rabid virulence of anyone? But what is more interesting is that his flames are always kind of lame. They don't have any cutting comebacks. They're just filled with ad-hominem insults. Now, if you recall how Detweiler was posting under tmp@netcom.com to the newsgroups, he intentionally poisoned the reputation of one of his tentacles, "Beavis Butthead", by having it hurl nasty insults, nasty words, and wallow in degrading thoughts. That way, to ridicule a position he finds abhorrent, he has Beavis take the position. An interesting "reputation cancellation" effect occurs, quite like in Shakespearan prose when a slow-witted rioter says, "First, let's kill all the laywers". Its a literary device. So Detweiler, posting from Perry Metzger's addess as a "tentacle", is accomplishing several things. First of all, he hasn't been discovered since the inception of the list. And by flaming Detweiler tentacles so hotly, he maintains the illusion of being a distinct enemy, someone else who is repulsed by Detweiler stuff. And he's been more effective in starting massive flamewars than Detweiler ever was. (In fact, when Detweiler was on the list under his own name, they got into heated arguments over ridiculous issues no one else cared about like "changing the cypherpunk name to something less radical"). But most of all, he has a "negative tentacle" to talk about ideas that he really detests, and causes other people to detest by association. Moreover: Have you noticed that "Perry" rhymes with "Larry"? And that "Lehman" (where he posts from) starts with "L"? And sounds a little like "madman"? Also, Perry talks about stock trading and digital cash. I think this reflects Detweiler's well-known interest in digital cash (he posted to the imp-interest list for a long time). And Detweiler liked to smirk at Perry being the same as Parry, the paranoid AI computer program simulation! I think he *built in* this insult by design! It's his little "inside joke"! Makes you wonder, eh? And has anyone actually MET Metzger? I mean, of the people we can TRUST? He's in New York and has had NOTHING to do with the CA cypherpunk meetings. And it's possible that the Metz part of his name is just based on the NY Mets baseball team! Another little "piece": he has been on the list forever, even when Detweiler leaves (but always comes back). Detweiler is *known* to be drawn to this list "like a moth to a flame". I think he was only *pretending* to go away to start a flamewar while sticking around as Perry (and post from Perry to help heat up the flamewar as he "left"). He reminds me of Sternlight. No one likes him. He has no reputation. But he's immensely effective in starting massive flamewars. Detweiler loves to hurl the ad hominem stuff all over talk.politics.crypto! Metzger has *got* to be a Detweiler tentacle. It makes perfect sense. I've listed far more reasons than those for Kragen (who I wasn't sure about). I have heard of other reasonable-minded people leaving because of the Perry flames, anyway. At least I hope the Perry-tentacle will tone down the routine scathing ad hominem face-slapping routine and posting lame drivel no one cares about. Demonizing people rarely serves anyone's best interests. BTW, I don't like what has been going on the list where there are anonymous attacks on people in the list. Do we really want to bring this kind of toxic rumormongering into cyberspace? If we had some reputation systems our remailers would probably be less dangerous. In fact, that inspires a Zen of Cyberspace joke: Q. If a remailer is yin and a reputation system is yang, what is Yin without Yang? A. The sound of one hand clapping. Voila! <g> Gotta run. Bye.
He reminds me of Sternlight.
You know, my reputation system tells me you're a flame-baiting twit, and a pretty poor one to boot. Go bother "cypherwonks" for a while.
In fact, that inspires a Zen of Cyberspace joke:
Q. If a remailer is yin and a reputation system is yang, what is Yin without Yang?
A. The sound of one hand clapping.
Voila! <g> Gotta run. Bye.
You'd exercise our reputation systems better if you didn't drop these broad hints as to your identity. Eli ebrandt@hmc.edu
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 21:05:10 -0700 From: Random H0Z3R <nobody@c2.org> [ much silliness deleted ] Moreover: Have you noticed that "Perry" rhymes with "Larry"? And that "Lehman" (where he posts from) starts with "L"? Get with the program. Perry hasn't posted from Lehman for some time now. Makes you wonder, eh? And has anyone actually MET Metzger? Yes. Rick
Random H0Z3R says:
Hello. I've been on this list for a long time and noticed some disturbing correlations between Perry Metzger's and Detweiler's posts. Now, bear with me on this. First of all, has anyone noticed how Perry flames Detweiler with the most rabid virulence of anyone?
[Rest of Detweiler's message claiming that I'm really him elided.] Unfortunately for you, Mr. Detweiler, I'm personally known to dozens of people on this mailing list. I've physically met very large numbers of people. I'm also not given to long and extremely boring messages. .pm
On Jul 21, 8:38am, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
Unfortunately for you, Mr. Detweiler, I'm personally known to dozens of people on this mailing list. I've physically met very large numbers of people. I'm also not given to long and extremely boring messages.
I have met Perry. He IsAPerson. -- Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker@csd.sgi.com Silicon Graphics Inc. Technical Assistance Center / Centre D'Assistance Technique / Tekunikaru Ashisutansu Sentaa Mountain View CA (415) 390-2250 ================================================================ #include <std_disclaimer.h>
Russell Earl Whitaker wrote: On Jul 21, 8:38am, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
Unfortunately for you, Mr. Detweiler, I'm personally known to dozens of people on this mailing list. I've physically met very large numbers of people. I'm also not given to long and extremely boring messages.
I have met Perry. He IsAPerson.
or at least a reasonable facsimile. even given his unclean fondness for vi. josh
joshua geller says:
Russell Earl Whitaker wrote:
I have met Perry. He IsAPerson.
or at least a reasonable facsimile. even given his unclean fondness for vi.
To my knowledge, I've never met Joshua Geller. (Its possible I've met him at some conference without realizing it.) I don't use vi. Perry
Sorry, I've met Perry and he's real. Unless L. Detweiler lives in New York and works in New York and only posts from Colorado, you're barking up the wrong tree. I've also met Dave Mandl and he's met Perry. (Unless of course you wish to imply that I'm Perry and Detweiler and Dave Mandl... But I submit that you may be paranoid enough to make such an assumption...)
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