Perry doesn't like Graham's hack for telnet style encryption. Graham doesn't like Perry's attitude. Such a _small_ teapot. For the forseeable future, there will be the need for link encryption where one is connecting to a site where the far end doesn't have encrypted telnet available, _for_whatever_reason_at_all. There are lots of reasons, e.g. site managers are busy and the user did not plan in advance. It doesn't really matter. If you can't alter the remote end except by a user process, that's what you use. Perry is absolutely correct that this hack is very bad as a long-term solution, but it is labelled a hack, after all. Nevertheless, there is need for a short term solution. Graham seems to have provided one part of that. Great. Just because you shouldn't need to be using it in two years is no reason to say it shouldn't be written. Eric