[Noise] RE: Canada Imprisons People For Human Rights Acti...
Subject: [Noise] RE: Canada Imprisons People For Human Rights Activity jbugden@alis.com wrote: ! Nota: Quebec recently held a referendum on seperation from Canada. ! Just talk about secession of a state in the U.S., and you'll quickly see ! which country makes political ideas illegal. qut@netcom.com (Skip, OBC)
Exactly, we have freedom of speech alright, everone in the world does, we're allowed to say "we don't believe you should remain in power," but try to say, and mean, "we're going to try to take your power from you for ourselves," and your group will very quickly find out the length of your chains, the extent of our so called freedom.
Actually, my comment was exactly the opposite. You may not be aware of what goes on with your neighbour to the north, but the province of Quebec currently has a government whose stated intention is independence from Canada. The recent public referendum for a mandate to seceed was defeated by a very small margin: 51% to 49% with 95% voter turnout. "Her majesty's loyal opposition" in the parliament (the Bloq Quebecois) has the same raison d'etre - Independence of Quebec from Canada. I do not believe that freedom of speech in the U.S.A. extends to actively agitating for secession or the overthrow of the federal government. James
At 14:58 -0700 8/21/96, Michelle KC5KYO wrote:
I do not believe that freedom of speech in the U.S.A. extends to actively agitating for secession or the overthrow of the federal government.
The right to discuss revolt or secession or the overthrow of the federal government, it seems to me, is given below:
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ... "
Now this is the Declaration of Independence, and not the Constitution, but it seems to me that the right to discuss "agitating for secession or the overthrow of the federal government" is protected.
Michelle
Unfortunately, this went out the window about 130-135 years ago during the 5 year period sometimes called "The Late Unpleasantness" <g>.
I do not believe that freedom of speech in the U.S.A. extends to actively agitating for secession or the overthrow of the federal government.
The right to discuss revolt or secession or the overthrow of the federal government, it seems to me, is given below: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ... " Now this is the Declaration of Independence, and not the Constitution, but it seems to me that the right to discuss "agitating for secession or the overthrow of the federal government" is protected. Michelle
! > I do not believe that freedom of speech in the U.S.A. extends to actively ! > agitating for secession or the overthrow of the federal government. ! ! The right to discuss revolt or secession or the overthrow of the federal ! government, it seems to me, is given below: ! ! "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created ! equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable ! Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of ! Happiness - That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted ! among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the ! Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of ! these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, ! and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such ! Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall ! seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ... " ! ! Now this is the Declaration of Independence, and not the Constitution, but ! it seems to me that the right to discuss "agitating for secession or the ! overthrow of the federal government" is protected. Correct, if government is not protecting our rights as a people, we are responsible for forcing the government to do so, even if that means changing of the guard, ie, successful radicalism.
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Robert A. Rosenberg