In the middle of an interesting article about digital cash, forwarded here by Bob Hettinga, there was the line:
After all, the kind of soccer moms who elected Bill Clinton
"Divided by a common language" as I am I genuinly don't know what that means. And I can't even guess from context. I'd have expected a dig at liberals or feminists or welfare recipients at that point; and I can't work out what soccer has to do with it. Do mothers play soccer much in the USA? Football (as the 95% of the world's population that aren't either English-speaking North Americans or else Rugby fans call the Beautiful Game) is associated in my mind with young men, specifically working class men. It's connotations are entirely macho, even violent. When a big match is on men gather in pubs and bars and shout at TVs whilst knocking back the lager. You avoid the centre of town if you don't want to risk getting involved in a fight. People get *killed* at football matches. That's pretty much true in every big city inthe world outside North America (and Japan where the fans are polite). This honestly isn't a troll - I am in fact bewildered by the phrase. Ken Brown
At 6:28 AM -0700 10/13/98, Brown, R Ken wrote:
In the middle of an interesting article about digital cash, forwarded here by Bob Hettinga, there was the line:
After all, the kind of soccer moms who elected Bill Clinton
"Divided by a common language" as I am I genuinly don't know what that means. And I can't even guess from context. I'd have expected a dig at liberals or feminists or welfare recipients at that point; and I can't work out what soccer has to do with it.
Do mothers play soccer much in the USA?
Football (as the 95% of the world's population that aren't either English-speaking North Americans or else Rugby fans call the Beautiful Game) is associated in my mind with young men, specifically working class men. It's connotations are entirely macho, even violent. When a big match is on men gather in pubs and bars and shout at TVs whilst knocking back the lager. You avoid the centre of town if you don't want to risk getting involved in a fight. People get *killed* at football matches. That's pretty much true in every big city inthe world outside North America (and Japan where the fans are polite).
Theory 1: "Soccer moms" gather everyday to practice killing each other with broken bottles. Theory 2: Soccer (=football, outside the U.S.) has become a popular after school thing for girls and boys. More so than other sports. Mothers who don't work assume the role of ferrying the children to and from practice and games, watching them as they practice, etc. More common in affluent suburbs. The term "soccer mom" seems to have arisen in about 1992, as in the sentence: "In affluent Connecticut, soccer moms form the base of Presidential hopeful Bill Clinton's support." --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.
At 4:27 PM -0400 on 10/13/98, Robert Hettinga wrote:
Just what they've been sucking I suppose I would leave as an exercise to the reader, though I bet they didn't inhale more than once without getting a severe um, headache, and we all know that "blow" is just an expression...
Okay, maaaaybe I was just a liiiitle bit misogynistic there. My considerable apologies to those I offended with the above... Cheers, Bob Hettinga PS: No, I didn't get any mail about this, it's a real-live, genuine, recantation. ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Brown, R Ken wrote:
In the middle of an interesting article about digital cash, forwarded here by Bob Hettinga, there was the line:
After all, the kind of soccer moms who elected Bill Clinton
"Divided by a common language" as I am I genuinly don't know what that means. And I can't even guess from context. I'd have expected a dig at liberals or feminists or welfare recipients at that point; and I can't work out what soccer has to do with it.
Do mothers play soccer much in the USA?
etc... The answer you search for is: In US primary schools (mostly in affluent suburbs), soccer (football) is a very popular fall/winter sport for ages 7-14. Soccer moms are the mothers that haul their sons and daughters around after school and on Saturday mornings in minivans to these games. "Soccer moms" connotes a particular kind of woman. Its difficult to give you an exact definition although its usually slightly deragatory. Lets try to describe her: Middle to Upper Middle class White Mid-thirties Average Intelligence Thinks Bill Clinton is a Stud Probably a Career Mom and thinks working 9-5 in a big corporate arcology is a pretty neat thing (not relative to unemployment, but relative to others who think its a trap) Probably religious, either WASP, Catholic or Statist. This, at least, is the stereotype. YMMV. Jim
Actually, we've been persistant victims of a misspelling, here. According to Rush Limbaugh, the true spelling, evidently, is "Sucker", not "Soccer" Moms. Just what they've been sucking, I suppose I would as an exercise to the reader, though I bet they didn't inhale more than once without getting a severe um, headache, and we all know that "blow" is just an expression... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Brown, R Ken wrote:
In the middle of an interesting article about digital cash, forwarded here by Bob Hettinga, there was the line:
After all, the kind of soccer moms who elected Bill Clinton
"Divided by a common language" as I am I genuinly don't know what that means. And I can't even guess from context. I'd have expected a dig at liberals or feminists or welfare recipients at that point; and I can't work out what soccer has to do with it.
Do mothers play soccer much in the USA?
Football (as the 95% of the world's population that aren't either English-speaking North Americans or else Rugby fans call the Beautiful Game) is associated in my mind with young men, specifically working class men. It's connotations are entirely macho, even violent. When a big match is on men gather in pubs and bars and shout at TVs whilst knocking back the lager. You avoid the centre of town if you don't want to risk getting involved in a fight. People get *killed* at football matches. That's pretty much true in every big city inthe world outside North America (and Japan where the fans are polite).
This honestly isn't a troll - I am in fact bewildered by the phrase.
Basically the phrase refers to suburban housewives. (Mothers who have time to take their little sprogs to school soccer games and the like.) The image of suburban housewives getting involved in World Cup style brawls and rioting does have a certain appeal though. ]:> alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys.
At 8:28 AM -0500 10/13/98, Brown, R Ken wrote:
In the middle of an interesting article about digital cash, forwarded here by Bob Hettinga, there was the line:
After all, the kind of soccer moms who elected Bill Clinton
"Divided by a common language" as I am I genuinly don't know what that means. And I can't even guess from context. I'd have expected a dig at liberals or feminists or welfare recipients at that point; and I can't work out what soccer has to do with it.
Do mothers play soccer much in the USA?
Football (as the 95% of the world's population that aren't either English-speaking North Americans or else Rugby fans call the Beautiful Game) is associated in my mind with young men, specifically working class men. It's connotations are entirely macho, even violent. When a big match is on men gather in pubs and bars and shout at TVs whilst knocking back the lager. You avoid the centre of town if you don't want to risk getting involved in a fight. People get *killed* at football matches. That's pretty much true in every big city inthe world outside North America (and Japan where the fans are polite).
This honestly isn't a troll - I am in fact bewildered by the phrase.
I am currently in the process of catching up on C-punks, did this get answered to your satisfaction? -- "To sum up: The entire structure of antitrust statutes in this country is a jumble of economic irrationality and ignorance. It is a product: (a) of a gross misinterpretation of history, and (b) of rather naïve, and certainly unrealistic, economic theories." Alan Greenspan, "Anti-trust" http://www.ecosystems.net/mgering/antitrust.html Petro::E-Commerce Adminstrator::Playboy Ent. Inc.::petro@playboy.com
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