Re: PGP Employee on MKR
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Kent Crispin wrote:
Indeed. It's just as idiotic as people being killed for receiving encrypted mail in Iraq. It is, however, just as possible, and anyone who believes the contrary obviously hasn't worked for a big company before; I've seen them do far, far, more idiotic things in the past.
-=> Quoting In:whgiii@invweb.net to Harka <=- In> There is a simple solution to that don't work for one if you In> don't like their policies. Sometimes it seems, as if the people advocating the "business-reality" are furthest removed from it. The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids) I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies! Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... The facts, although interesting, are usually irrelevant. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFEPMzltEBIEF0MBAQFKogf+MyQ/DGjqtDzS/zFJzl1YX75OgDMi313x r4SJcWam4VW2fgSQ6Jq1CsX8IgTKJZkIJOWzf2HojFS6FLsdL5cRrf6O+dBcBa8t 2i+P5ZIi8zM6G5HqoHr+nGEPlT0MnoYqjeSVIMSdGVugBRuSzZV0R7trxXSvZkUc 9cDu5eOdUsfG3KB3LRy5puktfYhY/YQUwidqJz2TuICpj41EFtzLnHKgjBZ/B1eL 8i7uZCGD77oImmD7Cs3gzmYEwcjyw94lPgHZbory+J+CScFUddmLC8HsyVjUKytQ HPOqV0TOP828FVz/JrZ5KS+oZgvKSMPLY/Rv75XhIZB7uUGTnCt89w== =TL8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...
On Fri, Oct 24, 1997 at 05:02:54PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
At 2:38 PM -0700 10/24/97, harka@nycmetro.com wrote:
Sometimes it seems, as if the people advocating the "business-reality" are furthest removed from it.
The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids)
[Standard "born on third and thinks he hit a home run" rant deleted] This was such a pathetic self serving self paradoy on Tim's part that I had to check the headers for "sympatico".
There's no excuse for being "trapped in a job."
How about having an IQ of 85? Substantial fraction of the population, after all... Oh -- I forgot -- broken eggs and all that... -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199710242206.RAA26328@einstein.ssz.com>, on 10/24/97 at 05:38 PM, harka@nycmetro.com said:
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Kent Crispin wrote:
Indeed. It's just as idiotic as people being killed for receiving encrypted mail in Iraq. It is, however, just as possible, and anyone who believes the contrary obviously hasn't worked for a big company before; I've seen them do far, far, more idiotic things in the past.
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In> There is a simple solution to that don't work for one if you In> don't like their policies.
Sometimes it seems, as if the people advocating the "business-reality" are furthest removed from it.
The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids)
I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies!
Sorry, your sloth and lack of ambition is no excuse to deny me my rights. An employer only owes you to what is agreed on when you enter into a contractual agreement of employment. For you clock punching 9 to 5'ers that means you show up to work, you do your work, and at the end of the week you get your check. You don't like the company, or their policies, or the color of the bosses tie, too bad don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Arrrrrrrrgh!!!! Sniveling little fucks like you really get my gander up. I bust my ass every day from before the sun comes up till long after it goes down. When I am not actually doing "work" I am continually educating myself, reading tech manuals,trade journals, ect. I have built up a library of several thousand books on engineering, programming, network management, mathematics and I subscribe to over 40 different magazines. This weekend my entertainment is refreshing my self on the latest developments in DCE. I spend more time improving my knowledge, thus my marketability, than you probably spend at your regular job! The reason people like you are "DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL" is because you don't do anything to make yourself more marketable in the corporate world. The company that you work for doesn't owe you a GOD DAM THING other than your paycheck, and only that if you have done your work to their satisfaction! Removed from "business-reality" indeed, I am fucking living it every day asshole. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNFEibI9Co1n+aLhhAQGAnwP9EJY15ZOhrm0AOj6vXkC79zxdV/ElyWDb YL0cp4ScaD8BC0oF9dJcrwnrR71BcKGwn6crMRSwjxTu4fgLBqy80OlIQH2VUqkY b2ssdyQfhW+VjlfNZrrI4hShWuGYYAicynT42f1OmJSeQ2qfGomOBILHpVbncO/W TVSyeE+lL/o= =x5jH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 2:38 PM -0700 10/24/97, harka@nycmetro.com wrote:
Sometimes it seems, as if the people advocating the "business-reality" are furthest removed from it.
The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids)
Nonsense. Worse, pure socialist, Wobbly, propaganda. By my third year out of college, I had a big enough cushion of saved cash and other investments, to last for several months (or more) without working (roughly speaking, as I don't have all the exact figures in front of me now). By my fifth or sixth year out of college, I could have lasted for several years without working. By my eighth or ninth year out of college, this increased to even more years. And by my twelfth year of working, I retired for the rest of my life....and that was 11 years ago. And I know a _bunch_ of people who did the same thing. Granted, my later investments did quite well, I was well-compensated at my job, etc. And I was hardly unique. Most people are able to save enough to give them a several-month buffer, assuming they put their mind to it and make some short term sacrifices in favor of longer term security. In fact, this is a savings goal recommended widely, and, fortunately, followed by many. The "one paycheck away from the streets" canard is true only for foolish or careless persons. All it takes is discipline to spend less than one earns and put the money into investments. The protection against "company stores" and "company towns" and other such alleged violations of one's freedoms is as it has always been: save your money. We used to call it, not very originally, "'Fuck you' money." And anyone who has worked for a couple of years and hasn't saved up some "'Fuck you' money" deserves whatever happens to him.
I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies!
More nonsense. Move out to the Bay Area, if you have any talent at all in software or hardware or biotech or Web design or multimedia, and you'll find jobs galore. (I hear this is true for many other parts of the U.S. as well...) There's no excuse for being "trapped in a job." --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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harka＠nycmetro.com -
Kent Crispin -
Tim May -
William H. Geiger III