Sorry to all, but I'm not seeing what would appear to be obvious. There seems to be a lot of talk about FV "new program" that undermines security of computer login/credit cards over the net and such like that. I don't know about you guys, but I wrote stuff like that in sixth grade on the old apple IIe. It's pretty simple to write a programs that attaches itself to the keyboard driver and logs the text types, or only logs certain parts, what is the large deal? As it applies to internet security, I don't see how it can make a difference. It must be run from the local computer, at system level. If I'm on my home computer, I know what's running, and feel safe that a loging program isn't amung them. What would enable a remote site to pick up my typings. However, I don't know much about Java, would it be possible to make such an applet with Java? --Joseph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Sokol-Margolis joseph@genome.wi.mit.edu Assistant Systems Administrator seph@mit.edu Whitehead Institute/MIT Center for Genome Research phone: (617) 252-1922 One Kendall Sq. Bldg. 300 fax: (617) 252-1902 Cambridge, MA 02139-1561 ----------------------http://www-genome.wi.mit.edu/~joseph/----------------- ----