All of this Death Threat Shit.
Hello Fellow CypherPunks.... I've never posted to this list before, but I've been reading for quite some time. My name is Dan ieberman, and I am a high-school student in the Seattle area. I got interested in Cryptography, after my sister enrolled in a cryptography seminar at the local University. I have been published in Internet World Magazine, and that is my only professional citation. I don't think my little message will hold much water, but I was under the impression, when I joined this list, that the Cypherpunks list was a place for casual conversation about a common hobby, and maybe a place to make alliances and advancements in the cryptography field. For me, it was a place to learn about cryptology. But when it came to this 'Tentacles' and 'Medusa' stuff, I thought that it was getting a little close to the edge, but not too far. Not death threats? Come on guys! I'm 15 years old, and even I'm beyond death threats about senseless matters. I don't think that any of this should have gotten this far. I think people took Mr. L. Detweiler's posts as anything to be serious about. I dismissed them when I saw them, yet some people took them personally. I think L. Detweiler made that clear in some of his last postings. Something to the effect of: If you would have ignored me, I would have gone away. That's how it should have gone. All that's left now is to forgive and forget. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dan Lieberman writes:
Hello Fellow CypherPunks....
But when it came to this 'Tentacles' and 'Medusa' stuff, I thought that it was getting a little close to the edge, but not too far. Not death threats? Come on guys! I'm 15 years old, and even I'm beyond death threats about senseless matters.
I don't think that any of this should have gotten this far. I think people took Mr. L. Detweiler's posts as anything to be serious about. I dismissed them when I saw them, yet some people took them personally. I think L. Detweiler made that clear in some of his last postings. Something to the effect of: If you would have ignored me, I would have gone away.
Dan, I think that you've made a few assumptions that aren't warranted. Firstly, people on this list HAVE been ignoring Detweiler. It wasn't more than a few months ago that one of his posts would reverberate for days and generate dozens of responses. Rarely is there more than one or two responses anymore. The same pattern has repeated on several other lists he posts to regularly (alt.conspiracy and sci.crypt in particular); initially people spend effort trying to refute what he says, but eventually he becomes a clown that people just ignore or read for humorous content. Secondly, you've assumed that the death threat came from THIS cypherpunks list. It was supposedly delivered by someone from the Colorado cypherpunks list, which is separate from this one. There are, according to lead tentacle and list moderator E.Hughes, about 500 people on this list. I think that the amount of self-restraing it admirable. Finally, and most importantly, you've assumed that Detweiler didn't write the message himself. Considering the tactics that he's used in the past, I don't think that you can assume that out of hand. Don't believe everything that you read, especially from a nut like Detweiler. From my point of view, the interesting thing is that he got what he wanted; that is to say that his "reputation" is now enough for people to believe or disregard his statements out of hand. He's a brand name. If you're worried about whether he's actually convincing people or not, subscribe to his much-hyped "cypherwonks" list. There's almost no traffic at all. That is the final judgement, wouldn't you say? Now, finally, a few comments you didn't invite. Firstly, don't tell people that you're "only" fifteen. It prejudices them against you. If your ideas are good, then they're that way regardless of your age. If not, your age still doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that you listen to the responses that people send to you and pick from them everything that you can. If you think that my arguments are full of crap, that's okay, just make sure that you know WHY you think that. Take care, Steve +-----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ |VOTE Steve Greenberg for President (2004)| CMR 420, Box 2569 APO, AE 09063 | | "He's Too Big To Fail!" (tm) | Reply to: greenbes@acm.org | +-----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ |"It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money | | through inefficiency and sloth. (On the contrary,) enormous effort and | | elaborate planning are required to waste this much money." P.J. O'Rourke | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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