Ben Goren wrote:

Just out of curiousity, how large *is* Cypherpunks?

It was at about 700 subscribers for several months, then the first big "outage" a month or so ago caused the number to drop way off. Last I checked (send the message "who cypherpunks" to majordomo@toad.com), there were about 400 subscribers. (It is likely that many of the original "700 Club" were casual subscriber, dormant accounts, gateways, whatever.) And the list just suffered a second wipe-out of the subscriber list, so I don't know right now how many are even seeing this.

I've been subscribed just about a week now, but I've been quite pleasantly shocked by the S/N ratio, after getting completely turned off by the Sternlight wars on Usenet. Ironic that a group calling themselves "punks" should be civilized, intelligent, scholarly, altruistic, and basic good 'net citizens, while sci.crypt is often little more than a bunch of people playing "did so!" games. And the PGP group!

Well, you missed the Detweiler War here in October-January! Be glad you did. Many of the leading lights of crypto are here on Cypherpunks. To name a few: Ellison, Bellovin, Blaze, Stewart, Gilmore, Karn, Hughes, Finney, Atkins, Toal, Metzger, Wayner, Johnson, and lots of others. A perusal of the most insightful posts to sci.crypt usually shows that most of the insightful folks are Cypherpunks. (I shouldn't even try to list names, as I've probably forgotten a few obvious names and have doubtless hurt someone's feelings. Me culpa if I left your name off here.) And sometimes others, such as Zimmermann, Plumb, etc. There are also several digital pseudonyms, such as Pr0duct Cypher and Lady Ada, who appear to be crypto experts of some talent....we might be surprised to learn who they are. Though flames do crop up here, there is more of a _commitment_ to get on the list, and hence more of a reputation-based sense of community. Part of what we think is important for the crypto anarchic world of strong crypto, untraceable communications, etc. Usenet suffers from casual posters making clueless comments and shooting from the hip. A mailing list, despite certain logistical and other problems, has some advantages....even if the screening of new members is nonexistent. Glad you are enjoying the list. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."