I traveled by train all the way to Florida from Rhode Island once. 24 hours straight it took man and I swore I would never do it again. 40-50 people per car and basically one bathroom per car. Come morning time man, the lines for the bathrooms stretched out of the cars. Screw that, I could have flown and made it in 3 hours. Plus it's easier for the gov't to stop trains and search them, I'd rather go with the flight. ---Chip Mefford <cmefford@video.avwashington.com> wrote:
Where possible,
fuk a bunch of airlines anyway.
Travel by train is a lot more enjoyable, relaxing, fun. Folks that travel by train could fly, but would preferr to enjoy the ride, cause it ain't no cheaper,
except, !!
you can pay with cash and show no id and go where you would like in the lower 48.
anonymously.
On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Anonymous wrote:
At 02:43 PM 10/26/98 -0400, Robert A. Costner wrote:
At 01:15 PM 10/26/98 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote:
9. "I do not posses any government-issued photo ID and thus
cannot travel
to the location stated in the subpoena.
ROTFLMAO...
This last one is too funny to not use. I don't have a subpoena, but I can just see myself writing back explaining this and requesting assistance with a plane flight to solve this problem.
Actually you don't need state id to fly, legally. But the airlines will hassle you and not put your bags aboard til you are. There are references on the net to flying without state id.
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I've taken that same route, except up to no. Vermont rather than RI, I travelled anonymously, for an extra 50 bux, I had my own little private cabin, I was never searched, my bags were never xrayed by incompetent androids, was able to find company from the hordes that you describe to sit with me in my lil cabin and spend some time (wink wink, nudge nudge) and so forth. yeah, an entire day spent with a whole pile of folks can really be a horrible drag, and I'm told that travelling on the weekends thats what you can expect. But, shuffling in and out of Polizei Central, subjecting myself to xrays and potential cavity searches, showing ID to every bone head that demands it, just seems a little too kyrstalnachtish for my taste, I don't care if I EVER fly again. Its easier, less hassle, more anonymous to travel by train than it is to drive, or for that matter, walk. yes, its VERY easy for the SS to stop and search a train, but the plane is a forgone situation. By entering an airport, you've already consented to be stripped of nearly every right you thought you may have had. I had an experience like you describe travelling from Atlanta to DC by bus once when a young-un. I too, swore I'd never do it again, and I didn't, not till I mustered out of the military and they stuck me on a 10 hr busride to the nearest depot to go home, and yes, I still hated it. to each his own, take care chipper On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Joel O'Connor wrote:
I traveled by train all the way to Florida from Rhode Island once. 24 hours straight it took man and I swore I would never do it again. 40-50 people per car and basically one bathroom per car. Come morning time man, the lines for the bathrooms stretched out of the cars. Screw that, I could have flown and made it in 3 hours. Plus it's easier for the gov't to stop trains and search them, I'd rather go with the flight.
---Chip Mefford <cmefford@video.avwashington.com> wrote:
Where possible,
fuk a bunch of airlines anyway.
Travel by train is a lot more enjoyable, relaxing, fun. Folks that travel by train could fly, but would preferr to enjoy the ride, cause it ain't no cheaper,
except, !!
you can pay with cash and show no id and go where you would like in the lower 48.
anonymously.
On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Anonymous wrote:
At 02:43 PM 10/26/98 -0400, Robert A. Costner wrote:
At 01:15 PM 10/26/98 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote:
9. "I do not posses any government-issued photo ID and thus
cannot travel
to the location stated in the subpoena.
ROTFLMAO...
This last one is too funny to not use. I don't have a subpoena, but I can just see myself writing back explaining this and requesting assistance with a plane flight to solve this problem.
Actually you don't need state id to fly, legally. But the airlines will hassle you and not put your bags aboard til you are. There are references on the net to flying without state id.
== Ogre bounces like sonar. . .Peace. Ogre
_________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
At 12:44 PM 10/27/1998 -0700, X wrote:
Does anyone know what the airlines do with the info they collect off the ID? Are they just noting whether the names match, or is it more sinister?
This has nothing to do with security. They are checking to make sure the name matchs the ticket. Airlines like to think their tickets are non-transferable, and they use this method to make sure john doe did not buy the ticket from joe shmoe. -Renegade
Does anyone know what the airlines do with the info they collect off the ID? Are they just noting whether the names match, or is it more sinister? When I was below legal drinking age (21 in my state) I would drive up to the window (how barbaric! liquor sales to guys in cars!) and give the sub-moronic guy my REAL ID under the assumption that: he expects it to say something that proves I am over age, or else why would I be handing it to him? [nicely enough, this shifts all of the risk of the transaction to him, should it go wrong.] Similarly, if you booked a flight under the name Nevah Umind, when you hand over a piece of ID, they look to see it says Nevah Umind (unless, of course, your name happens to be Nevah Umind) and that's all they want, right? And if we all booked flights under the same name, then wouldn't that throw 'em WAY off? Pick a name, DON'T scan your license in, DON'T edit it, DON'T laminate it, and (for pete's sake!) DON'T use that name. Their querying will tell them, "I have a match, he's okay" (These are not the droids you are looking for, eh!) and away you go! X ~> -----Original Message----- ~> From: owner-cypherpunks@minder.net ~> [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@minder.net]On Behalf Of Joel O'Connor ~> I traveled by train all the way to Florida from Rhode Island once. 24 ~> hours straight it took man and I swore I would never do it again. ~> 40-50 people per car and basically one bathroom per car. Come morning ~> time man, the lines for the bathrooms stretched out of the cars. ~> Screw that, I could have flown and made it in 3 hours. Plus it's ~> easier for the gov't to stop trains and search them, I'd rather go ~> with the flight. ~>
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