Folks it's time to shit or get off the pot. If what is holding us back is a PGPlib, (even though I personaly belive it's a bit late, S-MIME is becoming pretty popular) then either finish it, or make it available for someone else to finish it. I know that at least on the Mac if there was a there was a PGPlib, you would have seen more than one native email plug-in from the last Mac hack. Maybe Macintosh developers havent done crypto for a variety of reasons, whether it be NSA strong arming or not, BUT... I tell you as soon as someone releases a Mac CFM library that does crypto, thats when you will see interfaces that Joe-sixpack will use. And none of this silly telnet/unix shell I can't send my passphrase over the wire crap. Hello...Thats why they (we) make powerbooks. OH and I would suggest that you do make the interfaces/doc public in several well-known places (TM) ASAP. cause like the AT&T commercial says, have you ever been visited by the men with dark suits..you will. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A