Re: New Puzzle Palace? Re: CAQ - Secret ...
At 1:08 PM 1/15/96, s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, James M. Cobb wrote:
James Bamford The Puzzle Palace (with a new Afterword) Penguin Books 1983
Schneier's new bibliography mentions a second edition of the book published in 1995. Is this really a substantively new edition with more material or is it just being repackaged with a new Afterword? I'm just wondering whether it is worth buying to someone who has the original.
The new edition is supposed to be a substantial rewrite, updating the book to include a lot of the recent stuff on the NSA. Don't quote me, but I think Bamford has a co-author, though I've forgotten who it is. I paid the princely sum of $16.95 in 1982--expensive for a book back then--for "The Puzzle Palace," and read it cover-to-cover (well, I guess I skimmed the footnotes). Even before I got into crypto in a big way, I knew this stuff was important to me. I certainly plan to buy the Second Edition. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new info. I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as thick as the first version. Now I just need the money to buy the book... -James
grimm@MIT.EDU writes:
Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new info. I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as thick as the first version.
Now I just need the money to buy the book...
I think I paid $40 for the first edition. I wish I could trade it in for a discount. :-) --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 grimm@MIT.EDU wrote:
Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new info. I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as thick as the first version.
Huh? Oh you mean Applied Crypto 2. I was asking about Puzzle Palace 2 by Bamford, which I saw listed in AC2's bibliography. Can't seem to find it. I was just wondering if it's worth ordering. (Maybe I wasn't clear in my last msg.) Btw, anyone know what else Bamford's been doing since he wrote Puzzle Palace 1, in '82? Any other books, articles? He's a Washington lawyer, right? I hear the new edition has a collaborating author; anything on him? Curious. TIA.
Friend, I believe the co-author is Wayne Madsen, who's written: Handbook of Personal Data Protection Stockton Press (an imprint of Groves Dictionaries, which is in turn a division of Macmillan Publica- tions, Ltd) 1992 1026 pages US $170 ISBN 1 56157 046 0 1 800 221 2123. Please see Jyri Kaljundi's message below. Madsen is interviewed in Web Review's series on NSA's subversion of the private sector, here at home as well as abroad. Cordially, Jim INCLOSURE 1: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:27:59 +0200 (EET) From: Jyri Kaljundi <jk@digit.ee> To: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: GNN on Crypto Global Network Navigator Web Review (http://gnn.com/wr/) has their main story this week on crypto. The articles are: Spymaster meets webmaster:NSA's Fortezza: stronger encryption or Internet spy strategy http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/index.html The Seduction of Crypto AG: How the NSA held the keys to a top-selling encryption machine http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/crypto.html Familiar faces, familiar places: Look who's working to implement Fortezza in the US and Europe http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/triteal.html What's that smell: Is the NSA sniffing your email? [http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/sniff.html A back door for the NSA: Balancing the need for intelligence with privacy http://gnn.com/gnn/wr/96/01/12/features/nsa/conclude.html Juri Kaljundi jk@digit.ee Digiturg http://www.digit.ee/ INCLOSURE 2: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca To: grimm@MIT.EDU Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com Subject: Re: New Puzzle Palace? On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 grimm@MIT.EDU wrote:
Schneier has done a major rewrite, or at least included *lots* of new info. I haven't gotten a copy yet, but I saw one, and it was twice as thick as the first version.
Huh? Oh you mean Applied Crypto 2. I was asking about Puzzle Palace 2 by Bamford, which I saw listed in AC2's bibliography. Can't seem to find it. I was just wondering if it's worth ordering. (Maybe I wasn't clear in my last msg.) Btw, anyone know what else Bamford's been doing since he wrote Puzzle Palace 1, in '82? Any other books, articles? He's a Washington lawyer, right? I hear the new edition has a collaborating author; anything on him? Curious. TIA.
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