Title VII v. Liberty
Granted I deleted about 1000 messages before starting to follow the thread (tangental at best to crypto...) but... Title VII of the CRA covers the already illegal actions of Tim's hypothetical firm refusing to hire Blacks. Granted Tim firmly believes this kind of law is a bad idea, but nonetheless it is the law. To avoid the flame, yes I am wel versed in Libertarian ideals, save it, i already subscribe. As to sexual orientation, um no federal law protects the class. And yet magic- ally, massive discrimination exists. This is a natural result of the condition of falesly free markets. To those involved with Libertarian causes, a free market player in this example would openly admit that th basis of orientation, but they dont. They also hide their racist activities. I in no way suggest all corp's are involved in this activity but if you deny it exists Id like to live in your world. Sometimes intervention works. Granted, usually it does not. But removing the regs now would work to do one thing - perpetuate the past effects of discriminatory intent in today's world. Flame on! - Matt ______________________________________________________________________________ In defense of liberty, encrypt for all purposes, civil and professional. In defense of privacy, encrypt all correspondence, personal and professional. In defense of sanity, do not encrypt your dry cleaning invoice! ++++++++--------mjmiski@macc.wisc.edu (c)1993
As to sexual orientation, um no federal law protects the class. And yet magic- ally, massive discrimination exists. This is a natural result of the condition... [snip]
In my last position there were 43 women working and 2 men. I was one of those men. Not to flame, but what is the motivation for claiming massive discrim- ination exists? I have worked with a wide array of people from many different countries, ethnic backgrounds, and sexual orientation. I have never been in a situation where I believe someone else was descriminated against. As far as descrimination goes, I am a white male just out of high school. I applied for government grants but uncle sam thought my unemployed father was just too rich. While my minority friends were getting grants and loans, I was forced to get a job and work my way through community college. I'm not complaining-- Two years later, I am now a Systems Engineer for Telecheck International (and they are going to pick up the tab for my tuition), programming on a myriad of computer operating systems (VMS, OpenVMS, OSF, AIX, and MS-DOS) in C, C++ and assembly language, while my friends are still trying to figure out what they want to major in. I just get really frustrated when I hear about <insert group here> is being discriminated against. More often then not its just used as a justification for government funding, an excuse for a light prision sentence, or to gather a few liberal votes at the polling place. I have never felt that whinning about discrimination or making excuses will get you anywhere.
Sometimes intervention works. Granted, usually it does not. But removing the regs now would work to do one thing - perpetuate the past effects of discriminatory intent in today's world.
Just the other day I was reading the Business section of the Houston Chronicle, in which a Clinton administrative official was quoted as saying, "its OK to fire whites to promote ethnic diversity." My interpritation of this is that its OK to fire people because of thier skin color. I thought this was illegal. I am scared of the day when I go into a job interview and before I am able to shake the CEO's hand he stops me from proceeding futher by saying, "I'm sorry we've already hired our white person for this quarter. We were looking for a asian woman. Or perhaps a black homosexual.. we'll get bonus points for that!" -- Joe N. Turner Telecheck International turner@telecheck.com 5251 Westheimer, PO BOX 4659, Houston, TX 77210-4659 compu$erv: 73301,1654 (800) 888-4922 * (713) 439-6597
Matthew J Miszewski says:
As to sexual orientation, um no federal law protects the class. And yet magically, massive discrimination exists.
Sorry, but the point is being missed. It is certainly the case that massive bigotry exists against homosexuals and that some companies make hiring decisions that way. However, all credible studies show that homosexuals have substantially above average income. Furthermore, discrimination is dropping with time in spite of the lack of laws. I would say that the problem is taking care of itself. Perry
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