Re: cypherpunks press
ecarp@netcom.com sez: <rm for brevity>
My feeling is that Mitnick getting past security, and Mitnick not having to decrypt at every stage, and stuff like that is good material, but these topics generally have big ol' love handles attached to them. Describing people's hot tub parties, for example, is not exactly cypherpunk material.
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I am imagine many people use (and I am headed this way) nntp.hks.net merely to avoid large boring non crypto/political threads. Not everyone has this capability, and now some of them have left because of the S/N. I'm talking about real cryptographers, not weekend warriors like, well, ok I'm more like a yearend warrior.On the other hand, Alice and others haven't posted lately, so perhaps the noise is just the fill-the-vacuum pheonominon.
Why don't you go and write some code? Put those busy fingers to better
Perhaps he is. I am. Are you?
I am too, but the other half of my major is philosophy. I can't help BSing about the social issues too.....which seems to be common on the list. Perhaps there is a compromise since there seem to be interests on the part of both parties? Like cypherpunks-tech@toad,com. Any words? lunaslide On the meridian of time there is no injustice, only the poetry of motion creating the illusion of truth and drama. Henry Miller -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBvAzD3EHEAAAEDAMVwZzXozPjX18mCenA5fJsdWZXcrhJCxPR+SoVCmR7d4ZVU mwITzPTHo/GyLvJrWyk5YdhheczyY2VSawaMrCN/nWA7K9lwAylbKyPxqBhRYJ3C 2wi2uD5LY2wypNOQyQARAQABtB5KZWZmIENvbm4gPGx1bmFzbGlkZUBsb29wLmNv bT6JAHUDBRAw+1bqS2NsMqTTkMkBAQkTAwCersFbCyk8O0MbGlNcZDAe24CLEWQ0 0C5EHni33W76UsG1bybcLsuMH6HVwLF7IqZivnzc7wkujYPQvCqn8HEYYTld8V9V Cou4dOvA8kV7rHvAn/LuLx7DRruLFrRoPSk= =OIT9 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
lunaslide@loop.com sez:
I am too, but the other half of my major is philosophy. I can't help BSing about the social issues too.....which seems to be common on the list. Perhaps there is a compromise since there seem to be interests on the part of both parties? Like cypherpunks-tech@toad,com. Any words?
I think social issues are appropiate. I'm just giving examples (and I think Perry throws himself to the floor when he sees this stuff come across the list) where people chain: cryptograpy->war advantage->war ended with nukes-> many people killed->morality of killing those people->can'twealljustgetalong My feeling is that near the "war ended with nukes" and beyond belongs in email. Speaking of social implications, however, I notice that yahoo has blacked their page to protest CDA. That is a major PR point right there. I hope enough big, visible places do so as well. Hopefully this will get some kind of real press. Probably "Major firms voice support for raping of children" or something, knowing the slant they tend to put on things... My feeling is that once stealth PGP is out, there's *no*way* Congress could get away with legislating away the privacy and security that would provide. Don ObReallyNoisyNow: I wonder how long it will be until crypto/stego/hidden messages/no fear of accessing forbidden sites takes off in China... Yeah right like they're going to be able to keep track of the number of people that are eventually going to have internet.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Don wrote: {snip}
My feeling is that once stealth PGP is out, there's *no*way* Congress could get away with legislating away the privacy and security that would provide. {snip} What will stealth PGP be? Will it use RSA?
Also, how flawed is MIT pgp? Is it really worth using international versions (i.e. ones written out of the USA which don't use RSA)? Does the Gov't have some complaint about said versions? Harold -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by mkpgp: EAT THIS MAIL FILTERS!!! iQEVAwUBMRoepgnQEIDDS8rVAQEhNgf9G5hgOFFaO6o6yoTHi5gxYrMaHx9I3ezL k23pwW5gkSqKDQxTGnwoO+8WNIdyeUul0YOUMS+hDFgnMz6hbIRfe0aC/dDITY3B JGC9RvOZjmhCAtDLgWlCksz7ZovBifsJuf6UjFNIXZ9reb9OCADmzBzDOQZWabmn TYZVzPv4kBqotWig9il3aufgzyPjXZguHwHFvBxVBttUFWxE733SK+zhOgqn4eeD IvYSUr8ebGle7rRvSEbNZvUIrln2soOpemIUgSqc+/5/6l2qvllc2MflIfV4OIhi B+gVGjJcdv+XVpK0w6y3esLMeN3Nw7QR6m/8GPFSJWY4DyfzuaWmiQ== =87NH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Also, how flawed is MIT pgp? Is it really worth using international versions (i.e. ones written out of the USA which don't use RSA)? Does the Gov't have some complaint about said versions?
Umm, I dont know. How is MIT PGP flawed? Besides a few known bugs, of course. There shouldn't be much difference, code-wise, between the MIT version and the International version. The major difference is that MIT PGP has a license to use RSAREF which makes it legal to use w.r.t. patent issues in the US. AFAIK, there are no versions of PGP which do not use RSA. They all do. The only difference is that MIT PGP uses RSAREF, whereas the International versions use a non-licensed version of RSA. -derek
Don writes:
My feeling is that once stealth PGP is out, there's *no*way* Congress could get away with legislating away the privacy and security that would provide.
Is anyone out there actively working on an implementation of the "stealth PGP" concept ? I asked Derek Atkins about a stealth mode in the upcoming PGP `96 ^H^H^H 3.0 at the Jan. Bay Area physical mtg, and he said the PGP3 team had no particular plans to support such a thing. -Lewis "What would we do without all these jerks, anyway ? Besides, all my friends are here..." -Don Henley
On Thu, 8 Feb 1996 lmccarth@cs.umass.edu wrote:
Is anyone out there actively working on an implementation of the "stealth PGP" concept ? I asked Derek Atkins about a stealth mode in the upcoming PGP `96 ^H^H^H 3.0 at the Jan. Bay Area physical mtg, and he said the PGP3 team had no particular plans to support such a thing.
When asked, he also indicated that the PGP 3.0 message formats would be embedded into the API in such a way that it would not be possible to use the library to generate or process stealth. Of course, you could always strip the unstealthy data out as you would with PGP 2.x, but that doesn't help on the receiving end. -- Johnathan M. Corgan jcorgan@aeinet.com http://www.aeinet.com/jcorgan.htm "One should realize, of course, that whether Crypto Anarchy prevails depends not upon the varied philosophical leanings of citizen-units May and Denning, but rather upon whether our mathematics is more powerful than their jackbooted thugs." -Mike Duvos (seemed appropriate :)
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