Re: Alt.Gvmt.Immorality
Responding to msg by Michael Conlen: The United States is made up of ignorant people who know what they need to get by in life, and do not want to take the time to do what it takes to improve themselves, ie. vote. As for morality, I feel it is somthing that we all wish to be but find it hard to be. I know I find it hard to be moral. ........................................................ On the note, I offer this quote which is always amusing to me: "The only claim made for any organized ideas of human nature is that everybody everywhere needs them in order to tell what is human, what is natural, what is worth knowing, what is worth having and how to get it, and all the other information necessary for getting through the day, week, year and lifetime. .....That is human nature - to organize the data of human nature into a body of knowledge or working model. That is what a working model or organized idea of human nature does: it gives you the story about where everything belongs, and how and when and why it belongs there. And as for people who wear comfortable shoes and assume nothing, they are usually killed very young while trying to cross the street. Such people have no idea whatsoever about where anything belongs, or how and when and why it belongs there. That makes it very difficult to stay alive, let alone to locate the real fact. People who assume nothing have no working model of human nature to begin with and thus no way to assemble even the true story with its moral about what to pay attention to. ..... So that is how a working model of human nature works. It provides you with a frame of meaning and puts you in the picture. And once you are there, you can see where you stand on such diverse issues as life and death. You can find your point of view about taxes and clothing. You can fix your position with regard to the schoolhouse, the alehouse, the whorehouse, the courthouse, and the electric chair. In other words, a working model of human nature makes things visible, and you visible as well." - from "The Human Nature Industry", by Ward Cannel and June Macklin Blanc
Responding to msg by Michael Conlen:
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On the note, I offer this quote which is always amusing to me:
"The only claim made for any organized ideas of human nature is ... words, a working model of human nature makes things visible, and you visible as well."
- from "The Human Nature Industry", by Ward Cannel and June Macklin
Blanc
There are some theories that various 'power' segments of society actively cultivate a particular working model for their own benefit. Foremost, of course, are Clergy, lawyers, and gov. (Has anyone heard of 'Neo-Tech'?) I've always thought and recently espoused that there should be classes from the beginning of highschool on philosophy and sociology. I suppose the problem would be which philosophy and whose spin on things the schools would encourage. I just think that too many people don't think of themselves on the 'meta' level. (Thinking about what they think and do and why.) I had my little crisis at 13. Not to mention the fact that there would be more atheists... :-) sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@lig.net OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 2464 Rosina Dr., Miamisburg, OH 45342-6430 Comm. Consulting ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together Newbie Notice: (Surfer's know the score...) I speak for LIGCo., CCI, myself, and no one else, regardless of where it is convenient to post from or thru.
Stephen D. Williams writes
I've always thought and recently espoused that there should be classes from the beginning of highschool on philosophy and sociology. I suppose the problem would be which philosophy and whose spin on things the schools would encourage.
Alas, due to the fact that no one else is willing to pay for philosophy, nearly all philosophy is government sponsored. Unsurprisingly, nearly all government sponsored philosophy logically leads to the conclusion that to avoid killing each other, we need to be thoroughly governed, and that any restraints on the power of government are foolish or wicked and selfish. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we James A. Donald are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. jamesd@netcom.com
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