e$ seigniorage (and is this the cost of untracability?)
James Gleick wrote:
Perry E. Metzger wrote:
James Gleick writes:
Seigniorage is actually the Government's interest income on all the currency in circulation.
Seignorage is neither of these things. It is the difference between the cost of producing a currency token (like a quarter or a dollar bill) and the face value of the token. In essense, its the profit margin on printing or minting money.
You're giving a definition straight from a dictionary--an old one. Welcome to the modern world.
I think you're both right - Seignorage is the interest on the difference between the cost of producing the token and the face value of the token from the time the token is issued till the time it is redeemed. In the case of most government issued currencies though, the tokens can never be redeemed, so the total interest will be equal to the difference between the cost of manufacture and the face value. It is interesting to note that casinos could earn seignorage on their chips in circulation, and issuers of book/record/gift tokens will certainly earn seignorage on their tokens in circulation, and since these different types of token money reduce the amount of government currency in circulation, these earnings will be at the expense of the treasury.
This is a very real issue. To the extent that electronic money replaces currency (reduces the amount in circulation), it will cost the Treasury seigniorage--and the government is acutely aware of this.
Sure, and this is equally true of cheques and credit cards replacing government currency. As to whether the government is concerned, that is subject to debate. If so, why all the government attempts at reducing cash transactions?
Whether the beneficiaries are consumers, banks, or other issuers of digital cash will depend on the system.
For e-cheque systems, the beneficiaries will be the consumers, in that the money which was previously in their wallets will now be earning interest in a bank account (assuming of course that the bank passes this benefit onto the customer). In the case of ecash (from DigiCash), however, the withdrawal of ecash from an account is done some time previous to it being spent and deposited, therefore the ecash is "in circulation". In this situation, the ecash issuer will earn seignorage on all the circulating ecash. Two questions arise: - What will be the typical time between the withdrawal of ecash and it being deposited? - Does the untraceability of ecash (of all types) rely on a time delay between withdrawal and deposit (I guess it does), and if so, is the interest that the consumer inevitably loses (and the ecash issuer gains) the price the consumer must pay for untracability of transactions? Gary -- pub 1024/C001D00D 1996/01/22 Gary Howland <gary@kampai.euronet.nl> Key fingerprint = 0C FB 60 61 4D 3B 24 7D 1C 89 1D BE 1F EE 09 06
On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, Gary Howland wrote:
- What will be the typical time between the withdrawal of ecash and it being deposited?
I think this will depend on how easy it is to withdraw ecash. If the client software includes an option of automaticly withdrawing ecash from the bank when you don't have enough ecash to pay for the current purchase (thereby reducing the time between withdrawal and deposit to zero), then I suspect most people will use it, even though (anticipating your next question) this compromises their untraceability.
- Does the untraceability of ecash (of all types) rely on a time delay between withdrawal and deposit (I guess it does), and if so, is the interest that the consumer inevitably loses (and the ecash issuer gains) the price the consumer must pay for untracability of transactions?
The untraceability of ecash does depend on a time delay between withdrawal and deposit. It's analogous to the fact that the untraceability of anonymous e-mail depend on a time delay between sending and receiving. I think you're probably right that the interest lost is a price the consumer must pay for untraceability. One possible way to get around this is to have ecash issuers pay interest on ecash. However it requires ecash to be timestamped and therefore compromises its untraceability. (Think of the timestamp as a serial number.) Wei Dai
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