Re: Remailer Attack (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:17:11 -0700 From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Subject: Re: Remailer Attack (fwd)
- some sort of legal protection and recognition for the remailer operators
I believe remailers are strongly protected by the Electronic Communcations Privacy Act, which explicitly says that reconveyors or intermediary parties
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This line of reasoning has not been used in any defense, perhaps because there have been no prosecutions of remailers. Whether the courts, including The Court, will conclude that the ECPA is protection, is of course unknown to me.
But that is the exact point I'm making - it hasn't been tested. Before anyone with a lick of sense is going to jump into the remailer business big-time somebody is going to have to put their neck on the block and set the liability standard.
- some mechanism for them to operate as a business entity with a clear profit.
And I mentioned this specifically.
I'll grant you mentioned digital postage. This simply is not robust enough to handle the world of a commercial remailer operator. We'll just have to agree to disagree here because the standard digital postage argument simply doesn't sway me to support it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage@ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|
At 8:56 PM -0700 9/26/97, Jim Choate wrote:
I'll grant you mentioned digital postage. This simply is not robust enough to handle the world of a commercial remailer operator. We'll just have to agree to disagree here because the standard digital postage argument simply doesn't sway me to support it.
That's OK, you don't have to. And the person who earlier today said that remailers should _not_ be commercialized, he doesn't have to support it either. The point is that some remailers will remail for free. Some will remail for some form of digital postage. Some will charge too little, some too much. Some will adjust their prices based on market/customer reactions. And so on. What _others_ think is not really too important. It seems fairly obvious that some form of metered service--remailing for a fee--is likely to evolve. Charityware remailers will work for a while, so long as the usage is low and the expectations are even lower. But eventually those with an actual need for anonymous communication will pay for the service. How much, and when, and in what form, all this remains to emerge. I call this metered usage "digital postage" because that's what it is. It has to be untraceable, obviously, and so some form of blinded cash, or blinded token (e.g., "use once tokens") has to be used. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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