-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: apteryx@super.zippo.com, cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Sat Oct 12 00:48:23 1996 Mark wrote: <snip>

Does this mean that exporting Private Idaho, PGPfront, WinPGP, etc. would be a violation of ITAR because they function only when combined with PGP and contain "hooks" for using PGP?

To the best of my understanding, "maybe, it depends" A lousy answer to a good question, and NOT legal advice of course. One of the big problems with regs. like ITAR (and others of questionable Constitutionality) is uncertainty. Certainty and simplicity would lead to less FUD, and hence less power on the part of regulators, so it's not in their interest to be definite or even rational. One of the things "it depends" on may be the time-proximity of an election, of course. Folks seem to have disturbingly short memories regarding governmental abuse these days.

I don't recall any restrictions on who could download these files from their host sites.

At least in the case of Private Idaho, which seems to be the standard for using & chaining remailers (with John Doe in a close second place) there seems to be no restriction. AFAIK, Joelm couldn't keep a program as nice and as widespread and as popular from getting exported no matter what he did. Joey Grasty tried (really!) to keep WinSock from getting exported, but it was overseas anyway, within days. [I didn't do it.] Is remailer software somehow different than remailer-using software under ITAR? Again, I don't know. <sigh> It is quite likely, IMO, that the next governmental attack on privacy will come on the chained, encrypted remailers, like WinSock, which I'm running as I type now. :) I am a strong believer in privacy, but only for peaceful and good purposes. Running a remailer, like running for office, is an experience that will change your outlook on things. I encourage doing both. As everyone knows, I would be likely to begin keeping logs and cooperate with law-enforcement (even the lying, "evidence" planting, biased assholes at B.A.T.F.) if I were to somehow discover violent abuse, like Mr. Bell's "assassination politics" scheme, going on inside WinSock. Presently, only a rejected message file is kept. With proper encryption and chaining, I am not sure how much good cooperation would do anyway, and I would be certain to take considerable pains to avoid compromising the privacy of legitimate users. OTOH, I would shut down, or go to jail for contempt, or both, rather than cooperate even one little bit in the enforcement of the failed, corrupting, tax-and-spend drugwar. I am sure that different remailer-operators all feel differently about the issue, and it is certainly a touchy one, but I am sure that some operators do agree with me. I will not initiate, or advocate, or abet violence in a failed attempt to achieve political or social goals, no matter who or what wants me to. I hope that abusers don't "ruin it for the rest of us." I would also hope (though it sometimes seems that no rational argument stands a chance) that those who are tempted by violent, simpleminded "solutions" would understand from recent and not-so-recent history that transforming jerks into martyrs is an incredibly simple way of cementing those jerks' policies *permanently* into law. There is no free political lunch -- peaceful change requires hard work and money. JMR One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. -- me Defeat the Duopoly! Vote Harry & Jo http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 I will generate a new (and bigger) PGP key-pair on election night. <mailto:jmr@shopmiami.com> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMl8jHG1lp8bpvW01AQFWnwP+MhhHkTt9f3GbkjPlf+w7aZuzPMEt5xEi vMDSiu5cHjXeCFKZgVlb/8jXfin7hiGjoEEeeq0ntIb0POTKfbFUI/EB3nURrj8u aABvshBGVOfLNJzO/+6nqAgJeVMgyhjJYBkjWSvuJDHhphCfUtpyLKkvI3V8Ps4k h8ZHM2t95q8= =K6Lo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----