FTC online workshop on privacy

Pointing out encryption, anonymnity, etcetera as means couldn't hurt... BTW, at the end of the message is something from this Adam Starchild fellow, with a web address for "Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof." I'd be interested in a review of it. -Allen From: IN%"rre@weber.ucsd.edu" 22-MAY-1996 01:05:58.45 From: Phil Agre <pagre@weber.ucsd.edu> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help@weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:41:06 -0700 From: Adam Starchild <taxhaven@ix.netcom.com> To: privacy@ftc.gov Subject: FTC Workshop on Consumer Privacy in Cyberspace FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION WORKSHOP ON CONSUMER PRIVACY IN CYBERSPACE TO BE HELD IN JUNE 1996 The Federal Trade Commission's Bureau of Consumer Education will hold a public workshop on June 4 and 5 to focus on privacy issues in the online marketplace. The development of technologies such as the Internet and the World Wide Web has allowed online businesses to collect and use personal information about consumers, often without consumers' knowledge or consent. The workshop will examine consumer privacy issues in this new marketplace, consumer and business education about the use of personal information online, and ways to enhance the growth of the online marketplace by fostering consumer confidence. Workshop topics will include the use of consumer information, the use of medical and financial information online, the collection and use of information about children, electronic approaches to protecting consumer privacy online, and the European Union's directive on the protection of personal data. The workshop will be open to the public and will be held on June 4, 1996 from 9:00AM to 5:00PM in Room 432 of the FTC headquarters building, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., in Washington, D.C. On June 5, 1996 the workshop will be held from 9:00AM to 12:30PM in Room 332 of the FTC headquarters building. The Bureau invites representatives of consumer groups, industry, government agencies, and other groups to take part in the workshop. Any person wishing to be considered for participation in the public workshop must file a written request, on or before May 24, 1996, to Martha Landesberg, Division of Credit Practices, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, DC 20580. Posted by Adam Starchild Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof at http://www.catalog.com/corner/taxhaven The privacy list is run automatically by the Majordomo list manager. Send a "help" command to majordomo@ftc.gov for assistance.

Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 22-May-96 FTC online workshop on privacy by "E. ALLEN SMITH"@ocelot.
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:08 EDT From: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH@ocelot.Rutgers.EDU> Subject: FTC online workshop on privacy To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Pointing out encryption, anonymnity, etcetera as means couldn't hurt...
Speaking of privacy and cypherpunkly interests, one bill that seems to have grown out of the FTC's recent interest in the area will be introduced in two hours. The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them, including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good thing? Supporting is Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, Enough is Enough!, Bruce "I wrote the CDA" Taylor's group, and EPIC. I'm not sure what I think of it, since I just got the text of the legislation yesterday. -Declan

"Declan B McCullagh" <declan+@CMU.EDU> writes:
The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them, including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good thing?
Supporting is Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, Enough is Enough!, Bruce "I wrote the CDA" Taylor's group, and EPIC.
Bwahahahaha... So selling mailing lists which identify children is bad, but adding "I'm a minor" tags to TCP/IP packets is good? OK, so where's that Lolita Filter source code again... -- Roger Williams finger me for my PGP public key Coelacanth Engineering consulting & turnkey product development Middleborough, MA wireless * DSP-based instrumentation * ATE tel +1 508 947-8049 * fax +1 508 947-9118 * http://www.coelacanth.com/

On Wed, 22 May 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:
The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them, including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good thing?
I'd have to see the bill, but I think it's a good general idea, provided there's the caveats KNOWINGLY and WITHOUT THEIR [parent/guardian's] KNOWLEDGE. As much as I hate direct marketers, I don't want them subject to malicious and arbitrary prosecution because one address out of thousands happens to belong to a kid. On second thought, why are kids different than adults? Selling lists of women? Gays? Kids aren't the only group subject to harassment.
Supporting is Christian Coalition, Family Research Council, Enough is Enough!, Bruce "I wrote the CDA" Taylor's group, and EPIC.
They're not *always* wrong. Oh, EPIC too, eh? -rich

Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 22-May-96 Re: FTC online workshop on .. by Declan McCullagh@CMU.EDU
The legislation being introduced at 10:30 am will restrict selling mailing lists with childrens' names and other identifying info on them, including email lists. Another attempt to regulate the net, or a good thing?
Whoops. I should have said the press conference happened at 10:30 am. The bill will be introduced in both houses later this week. Interesting press conference. Enough is Enough! took quite a bit of time to rant about the dangers of the Internet. Pedophiles, chat rooms, illegal pornography. You get the idea. Did you know May 20-26 is "Safe Cyber Week?" -Declan

On Wed, 22 May 1996, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:
Did you know May 20-26 is "Safe Cyber Week?"
Of course! Didn't everybody? -- rich.graves@stanford.edu this is safe cyber week! http://www.cybercorp.net/safe/

On Wed, 22 May 1996, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote:
Pointing out encryption, anonymnity, etcetera as means couldn't hurt... BTW, at the end of the message is something from this Adam Starchild fellow, with a web address for "Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof." I'd be interested in a review of it.
Unsophisticated, lacking in real substantative sources for material (scope is again mentioned, and I find them often dangerously inaccurate, a resort to the paladin press for reference information is equally suspect in my view), and while containing some interesting ideas and general outlines, mostly dangerous to those who do not understand that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Posted by Adam Starchild Asset Protection & Becoming Judgement Proof at http://www.catalog.com/corner/taxhaven
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participants (5)
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Black Unicorn
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Declan B. McCullagh
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E. ALLEN SMITH
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Rich Graves
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Roger Williams