RE: Warrentless Search
From: Jeff Davis Another facet of human nature one can trust is 75% of the population will follow a direct order without much question, given the person issuing the order appears to have the authority to do so. ...... It only takes a matter of seconds to organize a concerted team effort to aid the victim- because I am the responsible person. They are not accountable for their actions anymore in their minds, I am. This isn't civilization, it's gregarious herd instinct ;) ................................................. This isn't herd instinct; it's innocence & ignorance. If someone can recognize the situation for what it is and has knowledge of what is required, they will proceed to contribute according to their informed judgement. If they are not sufficiently familiar with the meaning of what they are facing, then they will be amenable to guidance or to the appearance of knowledgeable authority. If you seem to know what the right thing which needs to be done to correct a problematic situation, they will accept your commands; but if it is recognizable that you don't know what you are talking about or what is apropos, you will lose their following. Blanc
- -------- Blanc Weber <blancw@microsoft.com> writes: [...]
This isn't herd instinct; it's innocence & ignorance. If someone can recognize the situation for what it is and has knowledge of what is required, they will proceed to contribute according to their informed judgement. If they are not sufficiently familiar with the meaning of what they are facing, then they will be amenable to guidance or to the appearance of knowledgeable authority.
If you seem to know what the right thing which needs to be done to correct a problematic situation, they will accept your commands; but if it is recognizable that you don't know what you are talking about or what is apropos, you will lose their following.
Stanley Milgraine experiments: Subjects were told they were participating in a "learning" study, and a confederate was strapped into a chair and electrodes were attached (the subject did not know that the confederate was always in the chair and was led to believe that they could have been in the chair). The subject is then taken to an adjacent room and the confederate is given tasks to perform. When the confederate made an error, the subject was instructed to administer an electric shock, with increasing voltage as the study progressed. The results were astounding. ALL subjects continued to administer shocks after the confederate began screaming from the other room. When he began kicking at the wall, some subjects would stop. Most (90%, I believe) would continue when the examiner would tell them that the study would be invalidated if they refused. A follow-up study explained the details of the study to new subjects. They were told about the confederate and let in on the "secret", and then asked how far they would've gone if they were the subject (they were not told the actual results). NONE of the subjects said they would have continued with the experiment through the end, even though 75% (I believe) of the real subjects did. This is mostly from memory, but the experiment is widely cited in Psych texts. This shows that, in real situations, people will follow herd instincts and obey orders. rgds-- TA (tallard@frb.gov) [awaiting approval of new disclaimer] pgp fingerprint: 10 49 F5 24 F1 D9 A7 D6 DE 14 25 C8 C0 E2 57 9D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbQCRaAudFplx0TNAQGhQwQAmVYZO5GR5kbhxBM7dM6nc383QytxJtI/ D6OOHIsoTlxHUfjgDdvmxaMXqCrW2arGcb5SPtJkQMjByn5ptx1zG33B5efMOC5W Oa1BHN8wJlHM8KXO7xPWd0J6hm5uKm4ijR6NC6mv9JyEUKvMr9PbkDYqUG15RFOY GyTFJ2IZgzg= =1lIL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Stanley Milgraine experiments:
Subjects were told they were participating in a "learning" study, and a confederate was strapped into a chair and electrodes were attached (the subject did not know that the confederate was always in the chair and was led to believe that they could have been in the chair). The subject is then taken to an adjacent room and the confederate is given tasks to perform. When the confederate made an error, the subject was instructed to administer an electric shock, with increasing voltage as the study progressed.
The results were astounding. ALL subjects continued to administer shocks after the confederate began screaming from the other room. When he began kicking at the wall, some subjects would stop. Most (90%, I believe) would continue when the examiner would tell them that the study would be invalidated if they refused.
A follow-up study explained the details of the study to new subjects. They were told about the confederate and let in on the "secret", and then asked how far they would've gone if they were the subject (they were not told the actual results). NONE of the subjects said they would have continued with the experiment through the end, even though 75% (I believe) of the real subjects did.
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This was the famous Millikan experiment in the 50's (60's?). The Exploratorium has a pretty graphic piece of footage from the original experiment. It shows how much some (most) people have to conform to some sort of authority. Ed Carp, N7EKG/VE3 ecarp@netcom.com 519/824-3307 an88744@anon.penet.fi If you want magic, let go of your armor. Magic is so much stronger than steel! -- Richard Bach, "The Bridge Across Forever"
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