Adam Back speaks out on AP / was: Jim Bell? Never heard of him.

Adam Back wrote:
I see lots of discussion of AP. However I see lots of people discussing cautiously, couching it in terms of: game theory, or intellectual possibility or dismissing it as impractical.
Perhaps I'm just imagining things, but it would seem to me that if one had in the past made comments on the list suggesting that AP might even be a _good thing_, Jim Bell's experience might make one think now was be a good time to disclaim that one was talking theoretically.
Jim *who*???
I've viewed several posters comments on AP ever since Jim Bell got involved in discussing anonymous markets in illegal services as being careful to stay on the side of speech.
It is almost as if they are afraid to discuss openly their views on the subject.
This doesn't stop them from castigating those who post anonymously in regard to this subject. (As if not wanting to face 20 armed government agents who consider you "armed and dangerous" {i.e. shoot first and ask questions later} somehow negates their facts and logic.)
Democracy is one person one vote, however this is skewed in most democracies by numerous factors: corporate lobbying, media influence, and people who are easily influenced by media.
AP is one $ one vote. Theoretically rich people could out-vote their rivals.
So the end result might well be, not the assassination of those involved, but the lessening of their power by virtue of depleting their funds, which leads to a more equal playing field.
Game theoretically: AP may be a good thing for you personally if the reduction in power of groups targetted by AP bets was beneficial enough to you to cancel out the negative aspects of you yourself being targetted, and the negative aspects of living in the resulting society.
Green Peace might serve as a good example of this. A sufficient number of individuals contributing small amounts to the pool might not be able to negate the total funds available to whaling companies, but they might be able to impact the profit margin sufficiently that they would not be able to extinct the species.
I'm not too sure what the outcome would be. All sorts of people might get targetted by all kinds of unanticipated groups of the populace. Will the mafia join the fray, and offer insurance against having a contract taken out on yourself? Will the government join in and take out hits on GAK dissenters and free speech activists? Will corporations get rid of embarassing whistleblowers? Will irritating media starlets get offed?
We have no way of knowing whether the outcome would be "a good thing" by any chosen metric.
But the results would be a far cry more interesting than reruns of Gilligan's Island. TruthMonger (#7 - the 'sane' one)

Anonymous writes:
Adam Back wrote:
It is almost as if they are afraid to discuss openly their views on the subject.
This doesn't stop them from castigating those who post anonymously in regard to this subject.
(As if not wanting to face 20 armed government agents who consider you "armed and dangerous" {i.e. shoot first and ask questions later} somehow negates their facts and logic.)
A very good reason to post anonymously, agreed. There is a cost with anonymity: people take you less seriously, none of your reputation is on the line. Anonmous persistent personas might be better as they allow reputation to be tracked. However persistent personas open themselves to writing style analysis attacks.
Democracy is one person one vote, however this is skewed in most democracies by numerous factors: corporate lobbying, media influence, and people who are easily influenced by media.
AP is one $ one vote. Theoretically rich people could out-vote their rivals.
So the end result might well be, not the assassination of those involved, but the lessening of their power by virtue of depleting their funds, which leads to a more equal playing field.
I'm not sure this follows. If a corporate can use it's wealth to influence other groups, for example by assasinating key employees of opposition company, it may well get richer as a result. People do things for their own benefit, and to the extent that their predictions are accurate, those who participate will fare better than those who do not (modulo the chance of reprisals, if it is apparent who is doing the attacking, and if the attacked organisation survives to retaliate).
We have no way of knowing whether the outcome would be "a good thing" by any chosen metric.
But the results would be a far cry more interesting than reruns of Gilligan's Island.
Yeah, but if the premises required for AP to exist at all are true (government-proof anonymous payment system), and if it doesn't turn out to be much fun, you'll have a job getting out of it. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes:
If a corporate can use it's wealth to influence other groups, for example by assasinating key employees of opposition company, it may well get richer as a result.
C2Net threatens its critics with lawsuits. Does it get richer as a result of its barratrous behavior? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes:
If a corporate can use it's wealth to influence other groups, for example by assasinating key employees of opposition company, it may well get richer as a result. C2Net threatens its critics with lawsuits. Does it get richer as a result of its barratrous behavior?
Why don't you post those bugs/security holes you found?
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